No law will stop anyone from taking a weapon anywhere.

yup

the booby prize?

Especially when all the dogs are carrying guns?

If you looked at a neighborhood map, or the Chicago police incident reports you'd be able to figure that out all by yourself.

Did you actually think you uncovered some big secret?

Here's another one, the majority of the shootings are black on black crime. I guess that makes this Dem run state and city racist then, huh?

Yup!

on Chicago's south side is almost as funny as his post on the other thread.

yup

No wait, it's the GOP/NRA's fault.

No, that won't work because there are no GOP in any offices here. Hmmm, getting tougher to find a scapegoat when all the usual excuses and suspects are out of town.

How about you. What are you doing to support mnore gun control? Brady membership? Contributions to MAIG? Starting CCW repeal petitions? Anything besides whining and poorly phrased snark?

Or just another online whiner?

about people from the south and rural areas.

from someone who knows that the juries around here do not accept that as a viable argument to hide.

Expose the hypocrites for what they are.

...is it okay if he can continue to carry in Florida?

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It boggles the mind that sociopaths are not only allowed to murder, but keep their guns. What kind of society are we devolving into?

(Note: The above info is provided to those who jump the gun without bothering to find stuff out).

If I were him, I'd either have another one or have people around me that have them.

This being the Wild Wild West n' all.

who just happened to be Martin?

absolutely no reasoning behind it.

and pick up a fucking history book.
http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/weblect/lec03/03_05.htm

I feel safer walking around in any place even the most fucked up oil field town in Wyoming or Texas than I would in Boston, NYC, or Newark.

pro-gun-restrictionists.

It makes brain-addled gunners believe they can be judge, jury & executioner for any transgression - real or imagined, no matter how slight. And George Zimmerman is a gun-nut hero.

Self-defense is not "vigilantism" and legal protection of actual self-defense is not "vigilantism encoded into law".

Anyones misinterptretation of the law, including yours, is entirely their own responsibility. It's written in fairly plain english, as law goes.

Please cite to anyone here on D.U. that considers GZ a "hero". We'll wait.

But you surely know there are posts by gun nuts that show up every day praising the hunting prowess of rootin' tootin' gun slingers similar to him.

Nobody is praising him for defending himself or "doing the right thing".

Zimmerman was not a hero. He initiated a violent confrontation with Martin and made Martin reasonably fear for his safety because he was being stalked at night by an unknown person.

However, Zimmerman's action does not make all self-defense vigilantism. Nor does the Stand Your Ground law codify vigilantism. In fact, Florida's SYG law, like many states, specifically precludes a self-defense case if you initiate the confrontation.

The core of all justifiable homicide laws is reasonable fear of impending death or impending grievous bodily harm to you or another person.

Vigilante justice is, killing somebody before or after (usually well before or well after) reasonable fear of impending death or impending grievous bodily harm.

"That fucker groped my wife last night, so I shot him after I tracked down his house".

"That bastard punched me yesterday, so I beat him with a baseball bat today when I found him at the 7-Eleven."

"I slept with his wife and he found about about it last week, and now he's ringing my doorbell, so I'm gonna open the door and stab him in the chest."


That is vigilante justice.


"He's confronting me in a parking lot with a knife so I shot him" is not vigilante justice.

I'm sure he'd welcome friends like you

You guys could be the new Butch and Sundance, Shadow and Zimmer, clippety clop

deny him his permit. Until then, he has a right to carry.

Oh, we wouldn't want to infringe upon his "right" to continue stalking and killing. Should he be allowed to keep his guns after he's finally arrested? He's definitely going to need some serious self defense tools in da big house.

drive off after drying out? Might want to check into that.

You think Zimmerman has dried out?

long ago, with a bunch of others who are too much into guns and so-called "self defense."

the least you could do is explain your non-standard definition of "defend".

are most likely too paranoid and callous to carry a gun.

Dr. 'Doc' Daneeka: "Sure. Catch-22. Anyone who wants to get out of combat isn't really crazy, so I can't ground him."

Yossarian: "Ok, let me see if I've got this straight. In order to be grounded, I've got to be crazy. And I must be crazy to keep flying. But if I ask to be grounded, that means I'm not crazy anymore, and I have to keep flying. "


Umm. Yeah.

regarding that night.

If you call wanting the facts to be defending, that's up to you.

to paying off right wing legislators to pass more SYG and other BS gun legislation.

Don't confuse me facts!

How about his CC permit? Was that withdrawn? Wanna bet this guy isn't packing right now? Right, didn't think so.

If I were him, I'd have one or be surrounded by people who do.

Bill Maher had a good bit on the $10K bounty. He showed the same three members of that organization offering the bounty that you see in almost all photos. And, said -- to be considered a viable entity... ... they had to get a fourth member, or something like that.

There's a lot at risk if those running gun trade to US citizens lose control of this scam they are trying to pull.

Or do you support suspension / revocation without due process?

And more importantly, who makes that call? You? Any cop?

It's about expediency and getting re-elected, when it comes to prosecuting. Charging should be up to the cops, then let the chips fall where they may. Right now, it's probably in the hands of a Grand Jury

In your perfect utopia, who makes that call? And what criteria should they use, or do they get to use whatever reason they fell like using?

"Contempt of cop. Hand over that license."

"Obama bumper sticker. Hand over that license."

"You're too brown for this neighborhood. Hand over that license."


Yah, fuck due process, man, it's cramping that authoritarian agenda.

[div class='excerpt']Charging should be up to the cops

Umm, fuck that noise.

God, you're worse than I thought.

It's how the system works. The police charge the defendant, the DA prosecutes or not. The cops should have charged Zimmerman. It's their job. Obviously, the DA stepped in and advised the cops not to charge him. That's political obstruction, or he's being overly cautious and waiting for a grand jury to hand down an indictment. We'll see.
Regarding the permit. Never should've had one in the first place. The guy is a predator, by his own admission.

If there was no prosecutorial discretion involved, you'd have beat cops making the decision to charge.

What, you expect them to know all the nuances of the law? And cases where the police made an improper search, didn't really have probable cause, or carried a grudge, what those cases would go to trial, too?

*sigh*

That would be a pig ignorant mess.

I know what prosecutorial discretion is. Prosecutors may file charges and/or decide to prosecute. Police have the power to arrest and charge. That's what they do, then it's up to the prosecutor. The cops in Sanford did not charge Zimmerman and neither has the DA. The cops could have arrested and charged him first, without going to the DA. Then, if the DA dropped the charges, Sanford PD could not be blamed. In reality, both can be blamed, except for the lead investigator who wanted to charge him, but, I guess was overruled.

Unless you wanted the cops to charge him for a lesser crime?

Derp.

Boca Raton police charge man with murder in baby's death
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/boca-raton-police-charge-man-with-murder-in-157029.html

On February 6, 2007, following an arrest in Florida for attempted kidnapping, Nowak .... however, Orlando police charged Nowak with attempted first degree murder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak

When police arrest you, they have to charge you with something, even in Florida. The arresting officer files a charging affidavit and the State Attorney decides whether to prosecute or not.

Cops don't 'charge' suspects, in the legal sense. Not for manslaughter or murder.

Just because a paper uses that terminology doesn't make it so.

*sigh*

you can carry in these states

Alabama, Alaska,Arizona,Arkansas, Colorado Delaware, Georgia, Iowa, Idaho,Indiana Kansas, Kentucky,Louisiana, Michigan Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire
Nebraska, North Carolina,North Dakota,Ohio Oklahoma,Pennsylvania,South Carolina,South Dakota Tennessee, Texas,Utah, Virginia,Washington,West Virginia,Wyoming

Florida will only honor permits from residents of the states they honor.

First time I think I've ever K&R one of your posts.

Do you have a reason for the post or just to start a flame war?

....is how so many gun advocates say guns is a state rights issue arguing federal regulation of guns is illegal.......and yet they try this.....making federal legislation.interesting.

Where did I say that?

...not me.

your foot is what's for dinner.

those poor things have been gnawed over for years. Not much left on 'em. And it ain't helping in the traction department either, by my evaluation....

Bloomberg who wants federal bans on assault weapons and registration of slingshots or larger who is suddenly a states rights supporter when it comes to reciprocity.


OT to fightthegoodfightnow- just 'cuz we became pals the other day, don't think I'll be giving you a free ride...

Disagree but fair play.

From across the street.

And to be honest I would oppose federal level licensing

I believe reasonable people can disagree and respect those....or try to....who challenge me intellectually. Too often it's just one liners (and I know my part is in it as well) It's far more fun to post with those who have a point even when you disagree with them. Wish more people knew that.

From those who challenge me than blindly agree with me.

I may do the occasional one liner too. I am something of a smart- (rhymes with pass)

Same is true about who I often hire as well as who I report to. Heck, we are paid to give our opinions. I like independent thinking people.

As for one liners and my GOP friends, I always offer to hug their elephant if they kiss my .....

But back to guns.....I suspect the reason I'm on these boards so much is because I disagree so often. What's the point about posting ad nausea about what we agree on.

Now go back to being a pain in my .....


LOL

I've only heard that from a very, very small group.

which incorporated the 2A if we support states rights?

...national reciprocity wouldn't need to be discussed.

But...

what if Bill Cosby, Joan Rivers, or Howard Stern gets busted in Wyoming? Would you be "fuck them, they should have checked to see if their NY permit was valid there"?

....that not knowing state law or being ignorant of the law is a good defense?

Why should gun advocates get yet another free pass?

To answer your question, send them to jail.

just asking if you would have Wyoming cops haul off people you like. If you were conservative, I would ask about Sean Hannity who also has a NYC CCW. NY permits are not valid there. Neither are Kansas (Hey Fred, come on over to this bar and show me your new pistol. Don't worry about a hotel, I have some friends who work for the county.........I promise your ministry will take on a new dimension..................)

Is it legal or not.

Why would you want to deny one individual his rights?