Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forum18 y/o arrested for carrying a loaded M1 Garand rifle in downtown Birmingham Alabama.
wow, I just don't want to live in a culture where kids, or anyone for that matter, are openly carrying riffles everywhere.
Combs' choice to carry the M1 Garand slung over his shoulder resulted in his arrest by Birmingham Police an experience his close friend Lia Grabowski calls "terrifying."
Grabowski spoke up on Combs' behalf Monday, saying her friend "was in his legal right" when he was arrested.
Grabowski, 17, also a senior at Troy High, said she was with Combs at the time of his arrest Friday and witnessed Combs' exchange with police.
We were just walking down to Birmingham," Grabowski said. "We werent doing anything. There were groups of kids walking around.
"Hes a huge supporter of open carry and the right to bear arms, and he thought he could legally carry. He wasnt going to use it on anyone. Obviously, he could have defended himself, but he wasnt looking for a fight.
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Combs declined to comment Monday without his attorney present. He is scheduled to be arraigned May 2 on charges of disturbing the peace, brandishing a weapon and obstructing an investigation.
http://tinyurl.com/7gfudoh
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)"He could have defended himself" according to his buddy -- from what, I have no idea. They both remind me of the kids of gun carriers I've known. I hope the police file charges. Need to teach these budding Zimmermans a lesson at a young age, because dad and mom didn't.
2 new mantras in one post, let's see here
1. gun obsessed mentors, and
2. budding Zimmermans.
You are the best thing that has happened to the RKBA,
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)d. That cartridge would perforate a police officer's vest probably twice over.
So the implication from his 'friend' was, he wasn't looking for trouble, as he didn't kill or even attempt to kill the officers that arrested him.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)or a staff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...being Shanghai'd.
HALO141
(911 posts)Obviously, they didn't charge him with illegally carrying a firearm so I'll assume that it's legal in that state for an 18 y/o to be in possession of a long gun and that it's legal to have such a weapon on or about one's person.
Brandish:
1: to shake or wave (as a weapon) menacingly
2: to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner
Simply having a rifle slung over your shoulder does not fit either of those definitions, IMHO. If the D.A. takes the position that simply being seen with a rifle is "menacing" enough then it's difficult to see how one could ever transport one anywhere without being in violation.
I think there's a good chance he'll beat the rap but it's probably going to cost him (his parents) a bunch of money and I bet his rifle gets "lost" somewhere in the police property room. (Or the judge's gun cabinet.)
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Every Thursday there were about 20 or 30 high school kids carrying unloaded rifles to school. Cops would drive by, think nothing of it.
Some of us walked, some did not. Once at school, we put the guns in our lockers, box of shells on the shelf. There it sat until after our classes. From there, we took them to the range in the basement.
no shootouts
our armed robberies averaged one a decade
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Since our lockers were not big enough to hold the rifles, they were all stacked against the wall in the principal's office.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Walked into school and checked them in at the principals office along with any ammunition we had.
In season it was not unusual to have 10 to 20 shotties leaning against the wall, side by sides, pumps and for the "rich" kids one or two semi autos they borrowed from Dad or Grandpa, actions all opened of course. This was the era before ECI flags were common.
On the way home we worked the cut over cornfields and hedgerows looking for pheasant, rabbit and the occasional quail. I guess we just weren't smart enough to terrorize those around us.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sorry couldn't resist.
AH1Apache
(502 posts)I'd be interested to know what you think of us? Oh wait, you've made it quite clear what you think of us.
Your correct about one thing, you just couldn't resist with the snarky insults. Says alot about your character.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)at least my mom thought so. First Sgt, might have had his and her (depending on the station) their doubts.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)At my high school, it seemed nearly everybody wore body armor & carried an RPG with lotsa ammo in a little trailer they pulled behind themselves from class to class. Most people also had at least a machine pistol & a couple of automatics.
It was HEAVENLY!
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)Check out this link regarding the law.
[link:http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf|
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)there would have been no problem, according to the article at
http://troy.patch.com/articles/police-arrest-troy-teen-caught-with-a-loaded-rifle-in-downtown-birmingham
SATIRical
(261 posts)to be missing this (the most important) point.
HALO141
(911 posts)I think you're right that he probably sealed his fate when he failed the attitude test.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Teenagers, who've apparently read the Constitution, legally and peacefully exercising their Rights!!
Hell, next they'll want to vote, drive, print news-sheets, invent a religion, maybe even speak in public!! Terra, terra, terra!!1!11!!
Prediction: All charges will be dismissed, as he seems to have done everything by the book.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)http://www.handgunlaw.us/
This is not an uncommon occurance, for local LEO to not know all the laws.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Where in the Constitution does it say you can walk around with loaded weapons?
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)"...keep and bear..."
bongbong
(5,436 posts)The 2nd Amendment is about militias, not laissez-faire gun ownership.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)We'll wait...
AH1Apache
(502 posts)so you can stop beating it any time now and give it a good burial.
The NRA's revision of the Constitution doesn't affect the truth.
AH1Apache
(502 posts)So I guess the SCOTUS, numerous constitutuonal scholars, hell, even POTUS are wrong.
Whodda thunk it.
Clames
(2,038 posts)Oh dear, your interpretation of the 2A is dust in the wind...
RKBA
You gun-religionists keep declaring victory in your illogical attempts to refute me. That is pretty much all you got. I understand.
DonP
(6,185 posts)The militia interpretation isn't even a footnote in law books any more. When Tribe and Derhsowitz dropped it over a decade ago that was pretty much the last gasp outside the Brady bunch PR team.
So is it safe to assume that as part of your action plan to correct all the misinformed gun zealots out here that you probably won't be voting for that guy in the WH that also believes that it's an individual right, not connected with service in a militia? Or will you be big about it and overlook his "stupidity" on the issue?
Please fill us in on what else you are doing to correct what you are sure are the misperceptions on the 2nd amendment.
Let me guess, in the real world you are actually doing nothing?
AH1Apache
(502 posts)gun-religionists.
BTW, you are 100% wrong, we have the SCOTUS, numerous constitutional scholars, and yes, even POTUS who all agree that the 2A is an individual right.
Meiko
(1,076 posts)...and yes it can be loaded.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Candidate for the world's worst criminal timing.
Deciding to rob the bank on the opening day of deer season, when pretty much every adult in town had a loaded rifle either on them or handy.
The gang got no money and totally shot up by the armed citizenry.
Jesse got away, but Frank got shot up and at least one of the Younger brothers was killed. Doesn't pay to screw with the life savings of armed farmers and deer hunters.
ileus
(15,396 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)Maybe he didn't get the chess scholarship he was counting on and figured out a way to have the town, or their insurance company, pay his way for all 4 years with the out of court settlement to avoid the big ass 7 figure suit ... if he was obeying the law.
Hey kid, answer your phone. Alan Gura is on line 1.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)mvccd1000
(1,534 posts)It's even posted in the article; I don't know how the OP missed it.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Well, to correct my legal links above:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf
http://www.opencarry.com/opencarry.html leading to: http://www.opencarry.com/mi.html
There, all better.