committed that crime throughout the years.

while shooting a white guy in the next county, while Zimmerman gets $150 cash only. Plus the media inflamed lynch mob.
I know people who look like Zimmerman who got stopped for DWB in California.
Sorry, I really don't think race has anything to do with this one.

that amount and who the hell is Trevor Dooley? Sorry if you have a an issue with reality but THAT'S HOW.IT.IS! Sorry if it bothers you.

Zimmerman got $150,000 cash no bond, plus ankle bracelet, plus stay a step ahead of a lynch mob. Trevor Dooley is an African American guy in the next county who shot a white guy named David James. Like Zimmerman, Dooley was also set free by the cops and charged later.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/article/311679/28/Widow-says-Floridas-Stand-Your-Ground-law-is-free-pass-for-murder

CHARGE HIM! Now, tell me I'm wrong....That's the problem. And the situation with Dolley is that he should have BEEN IN GAOL THAT NIGHT.. He's a cold blooded murderer. I don't give a fuck what color you are. Murder another human being, take your ass to gaol for the foreeable future..period.

was she wrong or full of shit? Maybe. Zimmerman isn't really white. He does not look white in the videos. I have a hard time picturing racists thinking of him as that. If the PD intentionally screwed up, it was because of rich daddy.

boy he MURDERED! While I have no doubt that there was intervention by pappyzimmy and his connections, it worked spetaularly well at first because of the color of Trayvon's skin. Frankly, I don't ascribed to idea of race unless you're talking about the HUMAN RACE but if we must split hairs, hispanic is a notion of ethnicity, as you can have Hispanics who are black, asian, etc. It denotes the culture AND language spoken

To me, he is just some ass in a gated community. But justice demands the absolute truth. IF Florida's SYG law needs tweaking, or better education in CCW classes (which I think Florida needs. I took the class once, and thought it was a joke. I was hoping to learn something new.) If it is murder and he gets convicted, Starke is the kind of place he belongs.

some hiu trying to steal Some radios, He got a knife, and chased him down the street, where he proceeded to stab him to death. he then took the bag of radios, sold at least one and went to sleep for the night. He didn't call ANYONE until the next day. HE WAS NOT CHARGED! that is f#cked up to the nth degree!

Wife wants to stay close to family. Other than that, my ass would be heading back out west. The only other thing that would keep me here is help protect what is left of natural Florida from Rick Scott.
Ironic thing about Wyoming, no permit required for CC (if resident) but no SYG outside the home (in your home or current dwelling, if you are in danger yes. Duty to Retreat outside the home.) But since you are either in the woods or Mayberry, changing anything would be a solution in search of a problem.

Some killings are justifiable, not my rules it's just the way it is.

"justifiable"...? But that can't be what you meant? Can it?

The comment was "Some are justifiable" with nothing specific mentioned.

(Trayvon, not gun rights) is certainly an easy one for misunderstandings.....sorry if my original post was unclear.

AND jebbie Bush who signed it into law, THIS CASE DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE SYG LAW! That's the point, Meiko. WRONG IS WRONG...PERIOD!

The only thing in common is the Stand Your Ground law. One story doesn't present the complete picture either. Some of the testimony conflicts. It seems that the 41-year old James was on top of the 71-year old man when he somehow managed to pull a gun and shoot the man on top of him. There was some film in a courtroom. Has that case been tried and if so, what was the verdict? Also, it seems odd that someone yelling at a skateboarder would end up in a confrontation of this nature. One would have to assume that some name calling led to the physical confrontation. A 41-year old and a 71-year old is quite a mismatch and the younger guy quickly got the upper hand so stand your ground could very well apply. As in such cases it is for the jury to decide. In this case the law is working without any outside help. Zimmerman would not have had a day in court without the national uproar and that is what makes this apples and oranges. The law was not working in the Martin shooting death.

saw what happened meant that the police had to rely on forensics.
As far as I know, it has not been tried.

We actually don't know what happened in the Martin case.

10 % of 15thou actual cash needed for bail, and payment in full if he runs. Heard of dooley and davis different situation altogether though, I think.

at least 15K plus fees and it may be as much as 25K according to some in the know, once everything is said and done.

I agree, that although egregious, the cases are different primarily in that DOLLEY WAS ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY, as he should have been!

$150,000 cash

legal system as he should, unlike your boy zimmy who wouldn't have spent ONE.BLOODY.SECOND.IN.GAOL and you damn well know that! Careful, your bigotry is showing, BTW.

...is it the system and the Sanford PD who is racist, or Zimmerman, or both?

Which issue should we be addressing? Because if you read the coverage, and read the posts here, Sanford PD is getting a pretty free pass in the blame game

ment from top to bottom. SANFORD PD is N.O.T.O.R.I.O.U.S for the way it has treated the browner members of town. THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE! And yes indeed, I believe that zimmy has a problem with people who look like me. Among the dozens of calls he made to the police was one that was about a "SUSPICIOUS, 9 YEAR OLD CHILD PLAYING IN HIS DRIVEWAY! If that it's indicative of a problem with racism, I don't know what is.

I am having a hard time figuring out what you are saying - so I will ask - and I am being respectful not antagonistic. And my post other than where indicated is not directed at you specifically.

We seem to agree Sanford PD is a HUGE issue - I would assume almost everyone agrees with us here. It appears to be a racist organization. It also appears that they are very willing to do friends favors.

SUSPICIOUS, 9 YEAR OLD CHILD PLAYING IN HIS DRIVEWAY! - Is there a missing adjective here that makes this racist?

You think Zimmerman is racist - I don't know but I won't argue he's not.

Here is my issue. And let's set SYG aside for the moment. That really is a different subject than what we are talking about here. I am not avoiding it - it will be debated far and wide - as it should.

If we want to really make progress, let's not miss the opportunity. And let's not assume there will be time for it later. The next big story will push this off the map.

Zimmerman is charged. Good. Long overdue. That's what the cops wanted to do the first night.

Now look at the amount of time going into the details and speculation. Look at how many people (and we assume they are Democrats) are on this board getting pummeled, being told their bigotry is showing, when they even speculate that no matter what people may think - we really do not know what exactly happened.

In the meantime, I am hard pressed to find threads or conversations devoted to shining the light on the PD, and as you say, the entire government. Sure it is mentioned - but there is way more anger, and insinuations of racism and trolling, directed at people here than the real issue of this problem. That's sad.

Even if Zimmerman (and I think using 'Zimmy' lessens the overall seriousness of what we are talking about) is everything bad people say about him - he's one guy. And there are a lot of them out there. Do people really think they are shining a light on the fact there are racist assholes who have guns out there? And that some of them even have CCWs? I and every person who argues on the side of gun rights will probably agree with you.

If Zimmerman is similar to the guy in Tulsa who shot a black man in revenge for this father, then he is. But I see timelines, and the 'he should have made it home' and 'Zimmerman was walking away from the truck not to it'. Really nothing on the guy from Tulsa. Yet they are the same.

If we think that beating the details to death and calling each other trolls is helping shine the light on the cockroaches in power down there, I think we are mistaken. Zimmerman's day will come. Let's go after those who delayed this justice.

A whole deferents thing than not being charged wit a crime and not arrested...and would still not be charged with a crime if it were not for that inflamed media attention...right?
And I bet the cops identified the victim and notified the famly....right?...unlike Martin that was tagged as a John Doe and sent to the morgue...
Can you see the difference here?....Justice is NOT blind...it can see the color of the skin.

between the way America treats her children. They're just up in arms that someone is ACTUALLY facing charges for killing someone they consider less worthy than themselves.

I'm as white as snow and as angry as a wasp about what this man did to that child. He is a murderer and needs to be put away. He should never, ever walk free again.

Need for a trial then I guess.

it was a day or two before he was arrested for manslaughter and open carry.

It was 3 days Travons body lay in the morgue tagged as a John Doe....and 44 days before Zimmerman was charged.
And again that would nave NEVER happened if it were not for that awful media bringing it to national attention.
But I never brought up your distraction case you did...which you studied I am sure to see if you could use it to distract from justice for Martin.

there were witnesses on the scene, police did not have to rely only on forensics
If Martin were poor (his parents could not afford a lawyer) there would be no attention
You miss the point. The point is you have prejudged the case, I have not. Martin had no id on him. He would be a John Doe for 44 days if he were white.

James' daughter identified him at the scene (she was there) plus he probably had ID on him.

And even a luddite like me could have used it to call someone like his parents or girlfriend who he had just talked to...so it is no excuse at all for it.
And if you think that is prejudging it then so be it...but I don't accept lame and unconscionable excuses from people who are supposed to be professionals...
And they clearly did it with the intent of putting time and distance from it for Zimmerman.
And if Travon was white or Hispanic and Zimmerman black Zimmerman would have been arrested on the spot and charged with murder and you know it.
But that is not the case and Zimmerman had a father who was a magistrate (And his grandfather a big wig in the CIA and possible his father too)...who came to the station to help his kid out...and the prosecutor came too...at night when he should have been home...and give the instructions to let George go home with no charges even though the investigator wanted to charge him....now tell me he wold have done that for a black man...don't believe it sorry.

Or are you saying that there very well could be influences that cause them to let George skate?
In any case justice was not done and that is what this is about...not race but justice...which should be blind but obviously is not.
And the DA is white...and the cops in the video were white but I don't know if the whole bunch is...and would make no difference anyway.

And so it the chief of police...and most of the cops involved...and the fact that he went down to the station in the night to overrule the chief investigator is highly unusual don't you think?
That alone makes it an affront to justice...

and that is why I think DAs and judges should not be elected. If DFLE and the new DA can fix the mess (assuming conventional wisdom is correct) and he goes away, so be it.
Now if it can be shown that the got out of a domestic abuse rap the same way, the Martins should be able to go after SPD for that (a DV conviction would have made it a federal crime for Zimmerman to possess a gun.)

Influence peddlers always have plausible deniability on their side...and just about anything is plausible.,,,"Sure I donated to his campaign but I did not do it expecting any favors I did it because I care about good government"....there you go...case dismissed.

Where the murderer gets away with it.

SYG is a travesty and a throwback to the era of Jim Crow and Klan terror.

I thought those days were past.

I was wrong

yup

All of it is so true and makes sense. It was all Zimmerman's doing with "Cops on TV" in mind. He made a huge mountain out of nothing and screwed it up, killing Trayvor for nothing. Very sad. Thank you!

you can even use your iPhone or Android to look it up.

yup

pointing out the facts. Learn to use a fucking dictionary.

Except being a young black male with a Hoodie and Scary Waistband.

yup

That must have been terribly traumatic for you, witnessing Trayvon's death like that. Are you in counseling? Think you'll be able to hold up on the stand?

You are the one that needs counseling.

yup

so my psyche is fine. I'm just worried about you, being exposed to that level of violence and all.

Tayvon Martin committed no crime.

He was hunted down and murdered by an violent ill-tempered douchebag vigilante.

yup

I'm not sure what the Skittles have to do with it, but I don't think it's "okay" that any kids die. Is it more tragic if they're carrying Skittles?

It just sounds like you were there because you seem to be privy to information the prosecutor doesn't have, so I'm just a little worried about your emotional state.

He was racially profiled and gunned down by a vigilante douchebag with a history of violence against LEOs and women.

and defended by Hannity, Rush and GOP douchebaggery squad

The prosecutor charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder - they have a case.

yup

so if you haven't given your deposition yet, I'd advise you contact Ms. Corey's office post haste. And I'd really think about that counseling. PTSD can have a delayed onset.

Trayvon Martin was not committing a crime.

He did not deserve to be shot and killed by asshole George Zimmerman.

period

yup

The charging instrument, i.e. the affidavit. Not the "dead black kid".

How do you get those two mixed up? One's a piece of paper and the other is a lifeless body. Bless your heart. Are you sure you don't need professional help?

The prosecutor needs help, too. Maybe you can work together, with your extensive knowledge of the details of that horrible night.

He did nothing to deserve his murder.

yup

You said that.

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Are you sure you're okay?

yup

and I smoke, and I think I'm getting the beginnings of a fungus on the second toenail of my right foot.

Otherwise, I can't complain.

I played hooky from work one day last week, but I was joshing my boss about having diarrhea.

How are you?

That's why I'm asking. Don't worry, take your time putting together your reply...I'LL WAIT.

Sorry to keep you waiting at this hour. What was the question again?

give me a coherent answer, welcome to DU and enjoy your stay, however long it might be!

Enjoy yours as well.

Thank you so very much, love and kisses!

That's like...forty-nine dog-years.

Heres to seven more!

Here's to you and that years worth of Geritol! I understand that because of a special promotion, you'll get 6 month of denture cream and Efferdent PM Overnight. That'll fix ya right up.

try as I might, I can't find the hate you allude to.
Perhaps you can point it out to us?
And what about the obvious hate from those like jpak, Hoyt, and many others here who would just rather forget the trial and go straight to the penalty phase? I don't see any wringing of the hands from you.
Can you say, wait for it, double standards?
Don't worry, take your time putting together your reply...I'LL WAIT.

See, there I fixed it for you! If there were double standards, zimmy the pathological liar would have NEVER BEEN ALLOWED To walk the streets without A LEASH AND MUZZLE. but zimmy was police, jury, judge and executioner but apparently according to people like you, ostensibly, he should have been given a cookie, 6 weeks of therapy and a pat on the head.

I recognise bias when I see it.

#2. Show me just one fucking link, like I've asked Hoyt time after time, where I have condoned, supported, or approved of what he did that night? I'll wait for it. All I've EVER said is that Zimmerman is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of his peers, unlike many, many others here, the one who posts the most rabid hate filled comments is jpak but I sure as hell don't see you condemning his posts, Gee, Why is that?

Me biased? Yeah, right.

You mean "due process" instead of trial by media? I support due process and the truth. Where it lands, so be it. I frankly don't care about Zimmy one way or the other.

by the media - all the tales of black people shooting at rescue helicopters, Lord of Flies behavior in the Superdome were reported as "facts".

And refugees from NO were gunned down by the police - just because they were black.

Racist vigilante murder is all the rage these days among conservatives.

Let us hope that Zimmerman gets what those racist NO cops got.

hard time.

JEB and the FL GOP are co-conspirators in Trayvon's murder.

yup

according to the current DA, it was still ongoing.

That's the problem with "these types". We actually believe in the rule of law.

right wing guns nuts fear in FL.

yup

and Florida is no more racist than California.

California has a SYG law too?

when I was at Travis AFB, my boss was often being pulled over for DWB. He said it was worse than Alabama. Also at the same time, the local Pacifica station was reporting on SFPD shooting brown kids in the back.
SYG has nothing to do with it.

Strange that your boss had that issue. 2 of my brothers, my mother, a WHOLE lot of cousins, family friends and I have either lived and or spent alot of time in the City and WE HAVE NEVER HAD THAT HAPPEN TO US....EVER!!!

Best friend lives in East Palo Alto and has never had a problem with police in San Mateo county and she's VERY dark skinned. Now, if you were talking about LA, it might have made sense but never have I heard any thing like this happening in the City.

Go the east, Sacramento, Placer county, YES INDEED, In the City, you have a better chance of this happening if you're homeless.

in Dixon, Fairfield and Vacaville. SFPD did have a lot of questionable shootings at the time. If I had to choose, I would take SFO over LA. Now if I were a DUI lawyer, Napa County would be the place to be (wine tasters......)

through there. Actually, almost bought a property on Gibson Canyon Road in Vacaville. Only reason we didn't was because of the water issues in that area that resulted in a lien against those properties that were over 20K in 2000! Dixon is about 10 miles from me. NEVER heard of problems there either. Not a whole lot happening in that area. MANY MORE houses since 2000 but still kind of isolated.
RE Napa, you're absolutely right. Love the areas, HATE the tourists.

He was the only person who mentioned it to me. None of the other AA folks I knew ever mentioned any problems to me. It stood out to me because I never associated CA with such issues. I mean, it blew my whole picture of CA and everything it is supposed to be if that makes sense.

"San Jose police officers may be forcing blacks, Latinos and other minorities to sit on street curbs more than others after minor traffic and pedestrian stops, according to the city's independent police auditor."


http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_20384514/san-jose-auditor-wants-cops-wear-cameras

down there. Heathen.

There is a line from "My Cousin Vinny" - coincidentally enough - that always reminds me of some Democrats views of the South

"Well, I guess the laws of physics cease to exist on top of your stove." Our views and values are not always the same when we are talking about the South as when we are talking about the rest of the country. And by we I mean Democrats.

CITY, SOLANO COUNTY, YOLO AND SANTA CLARA! Were we ever talking about Santa Clara, which I AM AWARE OF seeing as how I'm black and have cousins there? Hallucinate much? You SHOULD know damn well, that we were discussing the City and the bay area's I 80 corridor..... Damn, READ AND THINK before you post!

Maybe I was confused by this. You do know how Close EPA and SM are to SJ right?

Placer is notorious for pulling over folks for DWB, whole as a rule Sacramento does not. So, comparing the distance between EPA, SM to SJ isn't really a good comparison. On the other hand, Alameda county and Contra Costa county are notorious for black folks being mistreated. I know this FIRST HAND!

I was merely pointing out that in the Bay Area we currently have potential profiling issues under scrutiny. So what the other poster was mentioning is likely still going on here

last 22 years I have spent alot of in the City, Vacaville, Fairfield and DIXON, (it's literally 10 miles from me), I've never heard of anyone being harassed by cops while driving for DWB. I've heard of people being harassed for being homeless,loitering, etc but not for that. NOT in the areas he mentioned.

and was pretty surprised to see the headline. I have no idea what the stats are they are basing this on

from the Bay. You're in the South Bay?

East Bay - ish

I was referring to the history of blacks and how we've been treated...Sanford seized and annexed the town of Goldsboro that had been founded, developed and settled by black people. They weren't paid a dime and the streets, which had been named after the various pioneers who had helped to develop that town were changed.

Not ALL Latinos have had the issues we as blacks have and although it has changed here in the west, it wasn't too long ago when you saw alot of dark brown and black faces picking the crops, where you see alot of them in the south east. Hatred of latinos is parallel BUT not the same as the hatred against blacks. There were actual codicils written into trust deeds that made it illegal to sell to blacks, so often, decent people would be the face that paid for the house so that blacks could live in nice areas.

The vitriol and hatred focused on Latinos all over the country is also STRAIGHT UP racism because I know first hand that there are alot of Europeans, (ESPECIALLY EASTERN EUROPEANS) and Canadians here illegally BUT because they "blend in". so to speak, noone mentions them.

and is much older than Florida's.