If you have served the country honorably, have no felony convictions, no domestic abuse convictions and are of sound mind, what fucking difference does it make if your under 21 to get a CHL? I predict this will have a, in the words of one of our favorite way out there posters, backlash/

Just my opinion.

and have zero, none, no desire to go back.

That's probably what the NRA would rename America, if they had their way.

One for the cartoon and one for your post

We need national reciprocity (at least in states that allow CCW, but hopefully in a few years every state will allow CCW.

Imagine if you got a drivers license, and it was only good in half the states. You get pulled over, and the cop says that our state has higher training standards than yours, you so your licensee isn't valid. Nobody would stand for it. The good news is
at least a bill has been introduced, so they are working on it.

yup

"vigilante murder device".
And another soon to be golden oldie brought to you by jpak. Well done sir, well done.

funny mine are life safety devices....

yup

Typical.

They get their panties in a twist over some perceived harm being experienced by "veterans". Twenty year old members of the military have more important things than this to worry about.

need to avail themselves of self-defense?

Why is it that we get so many warnings to be alert and vigilent when off base?

Problem solved.

You enlist when you are 18. You serve 4 years and get an Honorable Discharge. Sounds like there must be millions, if not billions, of victims of this dangerous and terrible policy.

I went to the new, freshly opened Cabela's in Marysville, WA yesterday and bought some ammo. Ammoland has nothing to worry about. The store was packed. There were plenty of others out buying guns and ammunition. Some even bought fishing gear. There was a 2 hour line to meet R. Lee Ermey.

not just military.

is not an "anti-military" state. Far from it. My Son who served in the Marine Corps has a CCW permit. He had no trouble getting it. And neither will any other Honorably Discharged veteran.

My neighbor had no problem at all

as a civilian. Age 21 is assumed to be a meaningful division between people who are likely to have reached the level of mental, emotional, and psychological development necessary for the latter. I doubt there's anything in military service that gets people (on average) to that level of development any faster or slower than normal. So, exempting veterans is an 'honor the troops' measure rather than an empirically-based CCW policy decision.

If 21 really is a valid and useful age division, than nobody should be exempt. If WA can't limit recognition to people of a certain age, it's reasonable and appropriate for them to revoke reciprocity...

until I was 21. The federal law says no handguns until you're 21. Veterans have to follow the same rules for gun ownership as me, they shouldn't get a exception to the rule just because they enlisted that isn't even close to fair. They can't drink alcohol until they are 21 either, if all of a sudden they could drink at 18 but regular civilians couldn't that wouldn't be right either. The military has never been nor should even be it's own "class" within our society. It isn't fair to the rest of us. I understand the days of the draft and being forced to serve, but it isn't like that today, they volunteer.

it all should be set to 18. If you are old enough to sent off to lug a machine gun in Iraq, you should be old enough to have a beer.

if you are old enough to sign up and die, you are old enough to drink.

The military has never been nor should even be it's own "class" within our society. It isn't fair to the rest of us.

They can't drink alcohol until they are 21 either, if all of a sudden they could drink at 18 but regular civilians couldn't that wouldn't be right either.

were in the military does not in any way shape or form entitle you to your own set of "laws". If the state says you have to be 21, you have to be 21 base commander be damned. It's a moot point anyways because the ONLY US territory that has a drinking age of 18 is the Virgin Islands, there is NO state in the Union that has a drinking age of 18. If you are in another country that is different, and of course up to the commander. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I just don't think veterans are entitled to a different system than the rest of us. Retired military already get a ton of great benefits that I'd love to have, but minor health problems disqualify me from joining.

and its own little world. When I was in, the Air Force policy was that the base would match the state. My first base, Holloman AFB, was an exception because New Mexico was 21 and Texas was 18, and the powers that be preferred 18-20 year olds drinking on base instead of killing themselves on the road between Alamogordo and El Paso.

a long time ago. A base may be that, but the word "Federal" is key, they follow "Federal" U.S. law.

What makes you think my association is past tense? My association does entitle me to my own set of laws (UCMJ ring a bell?) and as such your view of what is "fair" is not applicable. You can think whatever you want but it doesn't change reality. Reality is that, in spite of state laws, a commander may still allow soldiers under the age of 21 to consume alcohol on post during special occasions.

or your base commander from U.S. Federal law. It's still there, you just have your own military law enforcement to deal with it. If the commander serves alcohol to a minor he's breaking the law. It just won't be enforced since he's the commander and what he says go's. I don't understand why you can't see the problem with that. It's selectively following the law, then claiming that you don't have to since it doesn't apply to you, but it does. The military is not its own nation. If it is now for some reason, then there is a major problem brewing. Maybe I should have specified. I'm not being critical of your service, so there is no need for any hostility. I'd join today if they'd take me, for the benefits alone.

the feds black mailed the states to adopt the uniform drinking age. There is no federal drinking age. If there were, I do believe it would apply to USVI as well.
The UCMJ is federal law subordinate to the Constitution like all other laws.
The commander would be violating drinking age laws only off base, but not on base.

I totally forgot that the stupid state alcohol laws are not a federal thing. My bad. In that line of thought I have no problem with soldiers, airmen, marines, or navy personell drinking on base under the age of 21 on special occasions as long as they aren't breaking any laws.

Do yourself a favor and do some actual research. I'm not being hostile but I will cut you absolutely no slack since you a speaking to me on a subject you have no experience with while I have almost 15 years of it. The laws you are questioning are State laws, not Federal. The military is, and always has been, something separate from the general public. Own laws, own culture, own way of going about its business.

, I just forgot the liquour laws were state laws not federal. I already said my bad. All I was trying to say is we all follow the same laws for the most part and 18 year olds can't legally buy a handgun or handgun ammuntion, and just because they were in or are in the military it shouldn't be any different for them than us. I understand the military has it own way of life, but you are still a american and so am I, so there's no reason to not be nice.

You can own handguns at 18, you just can't buy from a Federal Dealer.

Speaking of creating an untraceable market place....

And we can drink at 18... when traveling outside the U.S.

Again a wonderful piece of stupidity.

if the gun is a gift or maybe a private sale. But you still can't buy ammo, you have to be 21 to buy handgun ammo by federal law. I have a couple friends who had handguns at 18, but their parents bought them for them and had to buy them their ammo as well. I live in Colorado and there is no way in hell you are getting a CCW if you are under 21 military or not.

I wasn't talking about alcohol in foreign countries, sorry I should have been more clear about that.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's kind of stupid as well, they should honor the permits for people 21 and over if thats the way their state laws are set up.

is wrong with this one. Isn't this also affected by the equal protection clause? If Florida is trying to take a shot at the Fed's over states rights they are going about it in the wrong way.

They are under no obligation to honor the permit of another state if the holder is under 21. They can make that an administrative policy or a law. They do not have to take the position of not honoring the all the permits from that state.

But my position is that if your in the military, you should not be denied any Constitutional or Civil Right, no matter what your age. If you've volunteered to potentially give up your life for your country, you should not be denied any legal action.