I think there is a good case here for menacing with a deadly weapon.

"held without bond"? They did a stupid ignorant thing but not something that rises to that level IMO.

Meanwhile in Sanford Florida...

They'll probably post bail today.

..the Klan meeting ran late.

And to make sure they were only turning in the ones that were legally registered to them.

but it looks like it will be a federal crime for them to possess any in the near future.

means you should have your 1A right taken away? See how stupid that sounds?

It's been expanded to 'stand on someone else's ground and threaten to blow their heads off before bothering to find out WTF is going on first.' From the title of the OP, I sense that there's more outrage over the Canoles having to hand over their guns, however. Fuck the rights of the other homeowners, right?

Last night when I read the article, the latest update was that the Canoles had been told to bring in their guns to the police station. When I started this OP, I linked to the article again and then saw that they had been arrested at 10 p.m..

Frankly, I was glad that they had been told to bring their guns in and I just didn't bother rewriting the title of the OP after I saw the latest update.

Their outrage over having to turn in their guns - that and their apparent inability to see that they'd done anything wrong.

more than the felony charges. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, and you can't fix stupid.

The other ones weren't the homeowners, their son is.

That's a very fucked-up concept IMO. The neighbors apparently have more right to step onto the property of others and hold people at gunpoint than family members of the homeowner have to go into his property. Thanks for revealing where your sentiments lie, as you attempt to provide cover for what is obviously a crime on the part of the white, gun-totin' neighbors by pointing out the subtle distinction that it was the homeowner's parents - AS IF that makes any difference whatsoever.

I just didn't know if you knew that. The neighbors had absolutely no right to do what they did and by getting arrested they got what they deserved.

"Thanks for revealing where your sentiments lie, as you attempt to provide cover for what is obviously a crime on the part of the white, gun-totin' neighbors by pointing out the subtle distinction that it was the homeowner's parents - AS IF that makes any difference whatsoever."

You are getting yourself all worked up over something I never said and you are imagining in your own mind. I just didn't know if you had read the entire article where it said that their son owned the property, nothing more, nothing less.

I read the article, dammit. I hate this about the gun forum: everything gets dragged down into meaningless shit like whose house it was anyway. WTF difference does it make whose house it is? Wanna argue about something else meaningless? Go bother someone else!

You didn't have to reply to me either, maybe you could go bother someone else.

irresponsible gun owner of the day award.

Something like this!

about his 2A rights.

Evidently nothing else matters in that bonehead's narrow, one track mind.

Well, there's a couple of stupid-as-rocks deputies.

I have a feeling we haven't heard the last of this story.

Where did it say race was involved? Do you say that because there was an black man involved? Prove it.
These 2 idiots are nothing more that that, idiots, and now we'll wait to see if they are convicted and loose their 2A rights.

Ever been to Newton County, Georgia? You'd recognize that inbred look/stare. Guns and bigots seem to go together.

Grabbed their friggin AR-15s. Ole dad is a good influence on his son.

I wish the new homeowners well.

Where in the story does it say race is involved? Show me some proof and I might actually believe you for once.
You are the one here with the bigotry about gun owners as you've proven here time and time again.

BTW, got those links yet.

The fact they are still proud of what they did, also bolsters my opinion. They ought to be falling all over themselves to apologize to their new neighbors. If the lady had not been along . . . . . .

no proof, just baseless accusations. We've come to expect that of you here Hoyt.

BTW, got those links yet?

stupid enough to be bigots. And I have come to expect you to support anyone who deals with life through guns.

We know how you support Zimmerman. Just for a laugh, tell us your opinion of Randy Weaver and David Koresh -- I guess they are fine members of the gun culture too.

where I said that they were idiots who very well could lose their 2A right.

They are stupid but that doesn't make them bigots.

I see your making more baseless, dishonest accusations about me again, just more par for the course from you.
Prove that I support anyone who deals with life with guns. Or are you once again just throwing your usual B.S. out there and hoping no one will notice?

BTW, got those links yet about where I supposedly supported Zimmerman? I've only been asking for those quotes now for 4-5 days now.

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stupid enough to be bigots. And I have come to expect you to support anyone who deals with life through guns.

We know how you support Zimmerman. Just for a laugh, tell us your opinion of Randy Weaver and David Koresh -- I guess they are fine members of the gun culture too.

If I were, I was just driving through. But I do get the impression that you are saying that I'm not missing much?

you aren't missing.

yup

In fairness, I used to play an openback banjo. There's something about the drone. But I know what you mean.

Racist vigilantism

yup

"loose"?

no proof whatsoever, but we've come to expect that of you. I'll ask once again, where in the story did it say race was involved?

I see you had to throw in the race card here. Just your usual dribble.

no proof, just your usual B.S.. I'll ask again, where in the story does it refer to it being a racial thing?

Those two were complete idiots but that doesn't make it racial except in your mind because the man was black.
Just show us the proof that these two idiots confronted them because the man was black, and I don't mean because you "feel' it was racial because of skin color, but racist statements from those two.

no proof. Were any racial epitaphs spewed from these 2 fucking idiots? Maybe it was racial, maybe it wasn't, you and I don't know, we weren't there.

Why is it you think that every crime involving a white on black crime is a racist thing, or is it just racist because a gun was involved?
Not every white on black crime is racist just like not every black on white crime is racist

You really need to get a new schtick.

Who is "our own" in that context given the preceding event? You can stop pretending this incident didn't involve race now.

I take the accusation of racial crime seriously, show us proof that this was racially motivated.
That's all I'm asking.

Who is "our own" in that context considering the preceding event? It's right there, can you see it

from what you percieve as a racial slur to meaning their neighbors.
Now can you provide proof that it was a racial thing?
Nowhere in the article did it even indicate that it was racial.

...in the context I think it very clearly means people like them - hence "our own," which is clearly not people who look like his victims thus his determination that they were not like him. That's pretty damning proof of their mindset at the time. If you cannot see that, I really have to wonder why you're not conceding this point. These gentlemen acted for a reason and we have insight into their motivation from their own words. I don't know what proof short of them calling the Kaljoni's racial slurs you would need.

Really? You really said that?
You are labeling people on the basis of them saying "our own"? How do you know that they didn't mean their neighbors?
I'll ask again, show us proof that they were detaining them was racially motivated, yes, they are asshats, doesn't mean their bigots or racists.

IMHO - at least he didn't say "them people."

And yes I did say that...also it's not like the house had been occupied for some time and I'd bet it was a foreclosure.

and before somebody alerts on this post, no I don't think that of you, but it could be true because I don't have any proof that your not.

...because of a narrow-minded agenda to make things that are clearly to an extent about race not about race.

that town, that county, that church congregation.

I don't know what criteria they might use, I don't just ASSume things.

...is incorrect because there must be some other motive than what the facts make obvious. BTW - how the fuck are two well-dressed Americans approaching retirement age look so threatening so as to merit the use of assault rifles to accost them. If you can't see what's going on in this case, I really have to question your basic objectivity in such matters.

BTW - Porterdale, GA has a population of about 1200 according to the last census.

but most of the time the term I have heard the phrase "we take care of our own" referred to people who wear camo or blue uniforms to work without any reference to race. It could have been referring to the community at large.

you would be correct because I truly do not believe you are, but once again, you have no proof that those 2 fucking asshats are either.

If the two new home owners had been inbred looking good ole boys/girls, the two with guns would have brought over a case of beer and a confederate flag to cover the table. I'll guarantee it.

of GA or denial.

Judge, jury and executioner, eh? Is that how it works with you, no real evidence, just your accusation?

YUP

YYUP
YYYUP

that would explain how two people could be so stupid. If his son is a minor well that's a different story but good grief! You can't be holding people at gun point. I think there are a few exceptions, felony in progress, rape, kidnapping.....but changing locks...I don't think so. They deserve whatever they get.

We protect our own could mean that we protect our neighbors, why does it always have to be about race when a black person is involved?

Look, I'm not defending these 2 fucking idiots actions, they are going to get what they deserve if there is any justice, but to immediately label it as a racial crime w/o proof is in my opinion, stupid.

and I apologize for last night.

we agree on many things also! Welcome to the DU!!

"A Newton County man and his son who authorities said held a gun on the new owners of a neighboring home were arrested Monday night and charged with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal trespass."

http://www.ajc.com/news/newton-county-neighbors-charged-1424231.html

In Alabama you can use deadly force to stop robbery or burglary of any degree, or unlawful or forceful entry into a home.

These guys probably could be reasonably shown to believe that a burglary was taking place.

"The legal presumption that a person using deadly physical force is justified to do so pursuant to this subdivision does not apply if:

a. The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner or lessee, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person;"

http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeofAlabama/1975/13A-3-23.htm

I'm unaware of any law that states that a homeowner or owner of a vehicle must provide written documentation of ownership to any non-law enforcement official that demands it.

I missed that part.

Good ole boy police would have given him a medal for protecting the purity of the neighborhood.

I hope those fuckers are convicted and have to give up their guns.