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Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
Mon May 21, 2012, 11:00 AM May 2012

Update: CBS 5 Story Inspires New Legislation To Ban ‘Bullet Button’ (California)

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/05/20/cbs-5-story-inspires-new-legislation-to-ban-bullet-button/

SACRAMENTO (CBS 5) – The debate over California’s strict gun control laws is about to heat up in Sacramento and it’s all because of what we reported a few weeks ago. “When I saw the news I was absolutely horrified,” said State Senator Leland Yee, referring to a CBS5 report about the so-called bullet button.

It’s a modification that enables the magazine of a semi-automatic rifle to be removed quickly, with the tip of a bullet. Removable magazines in combination with other features like a pistol grip and telescoping stock are banned under California law. But the bullet button is legal because it doesn’t work with your finger, so the magazine is considered “fixed.” The modification has allowed military style rifles like the AR-15 to proliferate in the state, something Senator Yee said has got to stop.

“It is extremely important that individuals in the state of California do not own assault weapons. I mean that is just so crystal clear, there is no debate, no discussion,” said Yee. That’s why the Senator is introducing a bill to ban the bullet button. “What I am proposing is to essentially prevent any mechanism that would allow the conversion of an assault weapon into a way that you can fire these magazines upon magazines without effort,” he said.

The senator’s bill is already in the cross-hairs of the Calguns Foundation, the state’s leading gun rights group. “I am not sure the Legislature has an appetite to bite off something so large,” said Calguns President Gene Hoffman, the creator of the bullet button. “The real reason I designed it was because the original kind of ways to create AR-15s that were California legal were actually quite dangerous on the range.” He said if a magazine is fixed, which is how California law requires it to be, bullets can jam. “So the nice thing about the bullet button is that it allows you to remove the magazine and clear the jam,” he said, arguing that it essentially makes them easier to handle. “They they are lightweight, easy to shoot for women. It’s more accurate.”

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Update: CBS 5 Story Inspires New Legislation To Ban ‘Bullet Button’ (California) (Original Post) Johnny Rico May 2012 OP
Just in time............Blood was almost running in the streets... ileus May 2012 #1
The stupidity of such legislation is of a magnitude... Clames May 2012 #2
You have to pass the BB ban before you read it. Tejas May 2012 #12
Even as an idea... Clames May 2012 #15
Those pistol grips are very dangerous! immoderate May 2012 #3
"How dare you follow the law as written", basically. krispos42 May 2012 #4
Senator Yee is misinformed, and his opinions are based on emotion rather than facts slackmaster May 2012 #5
Yep, gun manufacturers and the gun obsessed are always going to push the envelope of the law Hoyt May 2012 #6
"Push the envelope of the law" = "follow the law to the letter"? Johnny Rico May 2012 #7
The ability to safely UNLOAD a rifle without undue hassle is an important safety feature, Hoyt. slackmaster May 2012 #8
Wouldn't want the ole Loughners and "militias" fumbling with clip/mag when shootin folks. Hoyt May 2012 #16
Banning the bullet button wouldn't affect them in the slightest slackmaster May 2012 #17
Or have you tripping over your bicycle wheel while defending yourself on the mean streets. DonP May 2012 #18
Don't forget the can of beans self defense -- CokeMachine May 2012 #21
We already do Meiko May 2012 #25
If we don't, gun controllers will keep chipping away until all firearms are illegal Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #26
Jesus Christ. Dr_Scholl May 2012 #9
This is the same Senator Leland Yee who OPPOSED California's ban on shark fin soup slackmaster May 2012 #10
I've never understood why the fin is so important, yet the sphincter is so neglected... AtheistCrusader May 2012 #13
I think it's the "sphincter" that eats the fin DonP May 2012 #19
$100 a bowl? gejohnston May 2012 #20
I ate a bowl of it at a traditional Chinese wedding. It was delicious. I was not aware of... slackmaster May 2012 #24
CA should vote that fascist Republican out of office. Tejas May 2012 #11
I would be very curious to hear Senator Yee's unprompted definition of what petronius May 2012 #14
“When I saw the news I was absolutely horrified." eqfan592 May 2012 #22
"... there is no debate, no discussion" Serve The Servants May 2012 #23
He was absolutely horrified. Callisto32 May 2012 #27
Is that the button that makes the shoulder thing go up? DanM May 2012 #28
Technical incompetence runs rampant... Clames May 2012 #29
YUP, had no idea what it was, but wanted to ban it! Tejas May 2012 #30
Yup, that's the modus operandi of the gun-banners: gun or gun-related = BAN! DanM May 2012 #31
 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
2. The stupidity of such legislation is of a magnitude...
Mon May 21, 2012, 11:17 AM
May 2012

...that super computers would have a hard time coping with. More hand wringing nonsense in the name of "public safety" by those that haven't the slightest clue of what they are dealing with.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
4. "How dare you follow the law as written", basically.
Mon May 21, 2012, 12:06 PM
May 2012

It's not Sacramento's fault for even trying to do this, of course.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
5. Senator Yee is misinformed, and his opinions are based on emotion rather than facts
Mon May 21, 2012, 12:21 PM
May 2012

Last edited Mon May 21, 2012, 01:33 PM - Edit history (2)

How much of a hassle does he think it should be to field-strip a firearm?

Most modern weapons are designed so that they can be broken down into their major components for cleaning, without the use of tools such as screwdrivers. That has been the case for more than 100 years. The bolt-action Mauser Model 98, and its predecessors and all of its descendants, have ammunition magazines that are simple to disassemble without use of a screwdriver or wrench.

In fact, the MAGAZINE follower and floor-plate of most Mauser rifle variants are designed to be removed BY USING A ROUND OF AMMUNITION as a tool!

ETA the floor plate is at the bottom of this picture, which may not last long. The standard procedure for removing the plate from the rifle is to push a round of ammunition up through the hole, and depress a spring-loaded plunger. This allows the plate to be slid a fraction of an inch back, then it pops off easily.



ETA The obvious purpose (for those of us who understand how firearms function) of that provision is to allow the rifle to be quickly and safely unloaded. In the case of a bolt-action or even an AR-15, the only alternative would be to cycle the live rounds through the action, which would create a risk of an accidental discharge.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Yep, gun manufacturers and the gun obsessed are always going to push the envelope of the law
Mon May 21, 2012, 12:45 PM
May 2012

to get their gun fix. They can't stay away from the most lethal weapons -- not having one is like having low testosterone or something. We need rehab centers for these pitiful addicts.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
8. The ability to safely UNLOAD a rifle without undue hassle is an important safety feature, Hoyt.
Mon May 21, 2012, 12:49 PM
May 2012

At shooting ranges, both during formal matches and general shooting, it's not unusual for the Range Safety Officer to call "Cease fire, cease fire!" which requires all shooters to IMMEDIATELY stop firing, unload their weapons, and step back from the firing line. Do you think someone should have to break out a screwdriver or a wrench in order to do that?

ETA it's been standard on the design of repeating firearms for more than 100 years to be able to remove ammunition with either no tool, or with a bullet tip (see my previous post right above yours.)

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
17. Banning the bullet button wouldn't affect them in the slightest
Mon May 21, 2012, 05:28 PM
May 2012

Your position is not based on sound logic. All you have is weak suggestions of guilt by association.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
18. Or have you tripping over your bicycle wheel while defending yourself on the mean streets.
Mon May 21, 2012, 05:29 PM
May 2012

Must be depressing to have almost every court judgement and pretty much every legislative body telling gun control to get lost.

I can understand why more than ten years of that kind of news would lead to nonsense and nonsequiter posts again and again.

 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
21. Don't forget the can of beans self defense --
Mon May 21, 2012, 09:47 PM
May 2012

thing he is fond of. I'm still waiting for them to go on sale. He is very entertaining in his own mind -- actually I get a laugh out of his shtick -- it's cute.

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
26. If we don't, gun controllers will keep chipping away until all firearms are illegal
Tue May 22, 2012, 01:12 AM
May 2012

You've basically advocated this position, and we're not dumb enough to go along with it.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
10. This is the same Senator Leland Yee who OPPOSED California's ban on shark fin soup
Mon May 21, 2012, 01:18 PM
May 2012

He called it "An attack on Asian culture."

So clear. No room for discussion.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/02/14/MNLG1HMV3V.DTL&ao=all

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. I've never understood why the fin is so important, yet the sphincter is so neglected...
Mon May 21, 2012, 02:32 PM
May 2012

Apparently 'shark asshole soup' just lacks some sort of appeal.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
19. I think it's the "sphincter" that eats the fin
Mon May 21, 2012, 05:32 PM
May 2012

With sharks becoming endangered in many areas, it's safe to say that anyone that eats the shark's fin soup most likely is a self defined sphincter.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
24. I ate a bowl of it at a traditional Chinese wedding. It was delicious. I was not aware of...
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:40 PM
May 2012

...the cruel and wasteful fishing practices that often are involved in its production.

I have no problem with sharks being taken if the entire fish is used. Thresher shark is very good to eat.

petronius

(26,606 posts)
14. I would be very curious to hear Senator Yee's unprompted definition of what
Mon May 21, 2012, 03:45 PM
May 2012

an 'assault weapon' is, as well as his explanation from his own knowledge as to why this made-up category of rifles is so horrifyingly dangerous.

I'd also be curious to hear him explain -- if BB-equipped rifles pose such a crystal-clear un-debatable public danger -- why did no one (including himself and law enforcement) notice the problem before that breathless news report? Where are the crimes, injuries, accidents, bodies, or blood-puddles that can be linked to the availability of bullet buttons?

Serve The Servants

(328 posts)
23. "... there is no debate, no discussion"
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:23 PM
May 2012

I hope Leland Yee gets kicked the fuck out of office just for saying these words alone. Totally unacceptable.

Not to mention, this fucker wants to turn me into a felon.

Fuck this guy.

Callisto32

(2,997 posts)
27. He was absolutely horrified.
Tue May 22, 2012, 06:41 AM
May 2012

Funny, that's the same feeling most people get when they see these folks' salaries.....

At least most of the people who bought those things didn't steal to pay for them, I'd wager.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
28. Is that the button that makes the shoulder thing go up?
Tue May 22, 2012, 07:57 AM
May 2012

When Carolyn McCarthy was asked twice more the question about barrel shrouds, she finally admitted that she did not know what a barrel shroud was, and said (incorrectly): "I believe it is a shoulder thing that goes up."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18200226/

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
29. Technical incompetence runs rampant...
Tue May 22, 2012, 11:17 AM
May 2012

...with virtually all anti-gun religionists. Mechanics and engineering be damned, let's make laws that feel good....

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