Gun Control & RKBA

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts) Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:14 PM Jun 2012

Gun collector and NRA member confronts, shoots and kills 13-year-old kid

MILWAUKEE -

A 75-year-old Milwaukee man accused of shooting his 13-year-old neighbor appeared in court Saturday morning. John Spooner was charged late Friday afternoon with first-degree intentional homicide.

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The criminal complaint said Spooner admitted to police during his arrest that he shot Darius Simmons.

Charging documents detailed what witnesses say they saw the day of the shooting. The victim's mother, Patricia Larry, told police her son was retrieving the family's trash cans from in front of their house when Spooner approached him, saying he "wanted his stuff back" and that he "wanted his shotguns back." Spooner accused Simmons of stealing from his home. Larry said she then witnessed Spooner shoot her son in the chest.

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&quot Spooner) was telling me about the recent burglary that he had. They stole $3,000 worth of guns. I know John to have been a member, or is a member, of the National Rifle Association," Donovan said.

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/Man-75-charged-with-homicide-appears-in-court/-/10148890/14431932/-/item/0/-/3uk4o4z/-/index.html

This guy really loved his guns, eh?

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Gun collector and NRA member confronts, shoots and kills 13-year-old kid (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 OP

SYGOOMY laws bongbong Jun 2012 #1

And another nonsensicle post from the bong section rl6214 Jun 2012 #5

Right back at you, sparky bongbong Jun 2012 #16

it helps if it is funny gejohnston Jun 2012 #17

Gun religionists bongbong Jun 2012 #22

actually, gun banning is kind of right gejohnston Jun 2012 #23

Gun-religionists (WTF does that mean)? rl6214 Jun 2012 #18

True, they tend to be funnier than gun-wowsers: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #20

I guess the guy from Italy was right, old people need their guns taken away. ileus Jun 2012 #2

I'm not familiar with that Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #3

That would be mikeb302000 who rails on about anyone and everyone being a ticking time bomb rl6214 Jun 2012 #6

He's just not been here in a while: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #14

That poor kid should have been packing heat when he went to bring in the trash cans. Speck Tater Jun 2012 #4

Trust me, Tater, there was no danger whatsoever of anyone taking your post seriously petronius Jun 2012 #7

Yeah. That's true of MOST of my posts! nt Speck Tater Jun 2012 #8

but let me say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #15

From the man's behavior, I suspect that he has dementia slackmaster Jun 2012 #9

Do you know if he was diagnosed with dementia? Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #10

No, but my speculation is based on multiple sad experiences with people who have been diagnosed. slackmaster Jun 2012 #11

UPDATE - Article says Spooner "...has been diagnosed with cancer" slackmaster Jun 2012 #12

His lung cancer was mentioned in the initial article I posted. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #13

Psychopath. n/t ellisonz Jun 2012 #19

Another telepsycholgist? Did you get your degree where our other one did? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #21

bongbong

(5,436 posts)

1. SYGOOMY laws

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:18 PM

Jun 2012

Some say SYGOOMY laws are next in the plans for the NRA.

"Stand Your Get Out Of My Yard", allowing NRA members above a certain age to legally murder people they hate. It's a crazy idea!

rl6214

(8,142 posts)

5. And another nonsensicle post from the bong section

Reply to bongbong (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:55 PM

Jun 2012

bongbong

(5,436 posts)

16. Right back at you, sparky

Reply to rl6214 (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:36 PM

Jun 2012

You gun-religionists are completely nuts. An obvious satire by me is labeled "nonsensicle" (WTF does that mean?)

Gun-religionists are entertaining dolts!

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

17. it helps if it is funny

Reply to bongbong (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:49 PM

Jun 2012

Steven Colbert, you are not.

bongbong

(5,436 posts)

22. Gun religionists

Reply to gejohnston (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:23 PM

Jun 2012

Didn't claim to be Steven Colbert, but the "nonsensicle" gun-religionist was off his rocker. A satire doesn't have to be Colbert-worthy to be obvious as a satire.

I forgot that if anyone posts anything to the left of "guns are HOLY!" they get attacked by multiple gun-religionists.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

23. actually, gun banning is kind of right

Reply to bongbong (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:32 PM

Jun 2012

leaning, depending on what point in history you are talking about.

rl6214

(8,142 posts)

18. Gun-religionists (WTF does that mean)?

Reply to bongbong (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 03:39 PM

Jun 2012

back at ya spanky

See you anti-gun zealots (I don't even have to make up a new term to describe your type) aren't even entertaining. Well some of you are but the bong section, not even close.

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)

20. True, they tend to be funnier than gun-wowsers:

Reply to bongbong (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:21 PM

Jun 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wowser

The Australian writer C.J. Dennis defined it thus: 'Wowser: an ineffably pious person who mistakes this world for a penitentiary and himself for a warder'.

ileus

(15,396 posts)

2. I guess the guy from Italy was right, old people need their guns taken away.

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:22 PM

Jun 2012

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)

3. I'm not familiar with that

Reply to ileus (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:39 PM

Jun 2012

What exactly did "the guy" from Italy say?

rl6214

(8,142 posts)

6. That would be mikeb302000 who rails on about anyone and everyone being a ticking time bomb

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:59 PM

Jun 2012

when it comes to gun ownership.

Wonder what ever happened to mikey, was he tombstoned?

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,481 posts)

14. He's just not been here in a while:

Reply to rl6214 (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:16 PM

Jun 2012

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Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)

4. That poor kid should have been packing heat when he went to bring in the trash cans.

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:55 PM

Jun 2012

In fact, EVERYBODY should be packing heat so that things like this wouldn't happen.

(In case someone fails to notice the intended I'll make it explicit)

petronius

(26,602 posts)

7. Trust me, Tater, there was no danger whatsoever of anyone taking your post seriously

Reply to Speck Tater (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:13 AM

Jun 2012

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)

8. Yeah. That's true of MOST of my posts! nt

Reply to petronius (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:32 AM

Jun 2012

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,481 posts)

15. but let me say...

Reply to Speck Tater (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:19 PM

Jun 2012

...personally that an explicit is always appreciated.

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)

9. From the man's behavior, I suspect that he has dementia

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:16 AM

Jun 2012

It's very common for people with Alzheimer's disease, and in other forms of dementia, to suffer from paranoid ideation.

Obviously the proper action to take if one suspects a particular individual of theft is to give the information to a law enforcement agency.

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)

10. Do you know if he was diagnosed with dementia?

Reply to slackmaster (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:58 PM

Jun 2012

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)

11. No, but my speculation is based on multiple sad experiences with people who have been diagnosed.

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:14 PM

Jun 2012

Even with the scant information we have, his actions are clearly not those of a person who was in full possession of his mental faculties. A person doesn't survive for 75 years as a free individual if he doesn't know that what he did was obviously inappropriate.

I haven't seen any information to suggest that the man has a criminal record, so it's unlikely that he's a psychopath.

He stated that he has had gun stolen from him. That may or may not be true, but accusing the neighbor boy of stealing them smacks of paranoia which is typical of Alzheimer's dementia. (Also other forms of dementia, such as that resulting from an organic brain disorder or alcoholism.)

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)

12. UPDATE - Article says Spooner "...has been diagnosed with cancer"

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:19 PM

Jun 2012

http://www.twincities.com/wisconsin/ci_20773731/milwaukee-boy-13-slain-by-neighbor-recalled-by

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)

13. His lung cancer was mentioned in the initial article I posted. n/t

Reply to slackmaster (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:43 PM

Jun 2012

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)

19. Psychopath. n/t

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:14 PM

Jun 2012

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)

21. Another telepsycholgist? Did you get your degree where our other one did?

Reply to ellisonz (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:28 PM

Jun 2012

If you'd bothered to read a little deeper, it's obvious the shooter had some form of dementia, which is not the same thing at all. As long as we're diagnosing people we don't know and have never met, how's about another loaded term?:

Wowser

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wowser

The Australian writer C.J. Dennis defined it thus: 'Wowser: an ineffably pious person who mistakes this world for a penitentiary and himself for a warder'.

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