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GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:00 PM Jun 2012

CHICAGO: Homeowner shoots burglar, no jail time for burglar, homeowner charged.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8694904

June 8, 2012 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- A 19-year-old Chicago man has pleaded guilty to burglary in connection with an attempted break-in during which he was shot.

Anthony Robinson was shot in the leg by the homeowner as he tried to break in and steal liquor, according to police.

Robinson was sentenced to two years probation and community service.

The homeowner, 81-year-old Homer Wright, was initially charged with unlawful use of a weapon in the case. That charged was later dropped.


It is good that the charges against the homeowner were dropped, but he never should have been charged in the first place. The sentence for B&E with burglary seems very light to me.
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CHICAGO: Homeowner shoots burglar, no jail time for burglar, homeowner charged. (Original Post) GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 OP
I agree with letting Wright go, but he had some prior issues including gun charges. Hoyt Jun 2012 #1
One does not know in that situation whether the burglar means harm Mojorabbit Jun 2012 #2
Would you shoot him in leg, or blow his head off as the gun culture prefers? Hoyt Jun 2012 #4
Neither sarisataka Jun 2012 #6
"Hardened gun owner"??? WTF Remmah2 Jun 2012 #3
My husband owns guns and sometimes he gets -- Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #21
Could you elaborate on a few things sarisataka Jun 2012 #5
Heavy on assumption and light on fact. Clames Jun 2012 #7
Shhhhhh! You weren't supposed to notice that. ManiacJoe Jun 2012 #8
What facts do you dispute? Have you looked up detailed reports of incident? Hoyt Jun 2012 #9
There were no facts to dispute. PavePusher Jun 2012 #11
Hoyt's posts don't need disputing... Clames Jun 2012 #12
Why not just reply to Post #5 which he was agreeing with? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #22
Because Post #5 was just a bunch of questions written to cloud the issue. Hoyt Jun 2012 #23
You made a lot of unfounded assumptions. That's what they are questioning. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #24
No I did not. Man shot was unarmed. Man who shot, has prior gun convictions. Those are facts. Hoyt Jun 2012 #25
Baseless assertions in bold Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #29
Unicorn, just about anything you, I or anyone else posts here is an opinion. Hoyt Jun 2012 #30
Opinions are fine but if you present a statement as fact you should back it up. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #31
Notice none of my questions sarisataka Jun 2012 #32
There isn't any other kind n/t Lurks Often Jun 2012 #10
Link? era veteran Jun 2012 #13
Look it up. It's easy to find -- if you stay out of right wing gun websites. Hoyt Jun 2012 #14
You made the assertion, you supply the link. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #15
Maybe if you had spent some time to research the short little article, Hoyt Jun 2012 #19
No, I wondered where YOU got YOUR 'facts' era veteran Jun 2012 #20
I found it easily, you can too. Infact why don't you post what you believe happened. Hoyt Jun 2012 #34
Don't much appreciate the right wing slur. era veteran Jun 2012 #33
The only time I am a "hardened gun owner," appal_jack Jun 2012 #18
Glad your gun helps you in that respect. Hoyt Jun 2012 #26
You saying a convicted felon safeinOhio Jun 2012 #16
The story I saw and linked said nothing about it. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #17
Please try to post responsibly in the future. Hoyt Jun 2012 #28
And when will you start? Clames Jun 2012 #36
I took time to look up the facts. You didn't. Hoyt Jun 2012 #37
Keep trying. Clames Jun 2012 #39
Coming from you that is unf*cking believable.... ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #38
Well, seems like a bunch of you thought Wright was arrested for shooting a robber. Truth is Hoyt Jun 2012 #40
More unjustified assumptions and broad brush smears ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #41
So far, you have not pointed out one thing I got wrong regarding Wright. Just that I did. Hoyt Jun 2012 #43
Nor did I say you made any...so much for your reading comprehension ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #44
Give me an example. I know my "opinions" may differ from your's. Hoyt Jun 2012 #45
Your title is misleading. By the time the burglar pleaded guilty, the charges against pnwmom Jun 2012 #27
Two comments at the link, LOL era veteran Jun 2012 #35
Trolls hating on an 81 year old for defending his home. Tejas Jun 2012 #42
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. I agree with letting Wright go, but he had some prior issues including gun charges.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:16 PM
Jun 2012

According to other reports (which doubters can look up), Wright was charged with one felony count of unlawful use of a weapon after police discovered he had two prior weapons convictions from 1968 and 1994, officials said. Records show Wright also was convicted of theft in 1990. In the 1990 and 1994 cases, Wright got probation.


Now, with respect to Chicago's gun laws -- first, the burglar didn't have a gun (maybe laws make it hard for novice criminals to get guns, that's a good thing).

Second, Wright only has a 38 and chose to shoot unarmed burglar in leg (good move Wright). What if Wright had been like many hardened gun owners -- with assault rifles, hi-cap mags, loads carefully selected to kill and maim, etc. -- I suspect the novice burglar would have been killed.

Chicago's gun laws seem to be working, except in extremely high crime areas where drug dealers kill each other with guns imported from other states, etc.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
2. One does not know in that situation whether the burglar means harm
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:24 PM
Jun 2012

to the homeowner. It may be too late if one waits to find out. I would have shot him too if I was home alone because my hubby was out of town.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Would you shoot him in leg, or blow his head off as the gun culture prefers?
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:39 PM
Jun 2012

Fact is, this situation worked out well. And, although the OP didn't do the work to find out why Wright was arrested, there were real reasons Wright was originally charged.

sarisataka

(18,672 posts)
6. Neither
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:56 PM
Jun 2012

Center of mass- best chance for an incapacitating hit

Assuming of course he didn't surrender when offered.

sarisataka

(18,672 posts)
5. Could you elaborate on a few things
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:47 PM
Jun 2012
Now, with respect to Chicago's gun laws -- first, the burglar didn't have a gun (maybe laws make it hard for novice criminals to get guns, that's a good thing).

Maybe he couldn't get one, maybe he thought he wouldn't need one against an octogenarian.
How do you know he is a 'novice' criminal.

Second, Wright only has a 38 and chose to shoot unarmed burglar in leg (good move Wright).

Can you point out where he claimed he intentionally shot at the leg?

What if Wright had been like many hardened gun owners -- with assault rifles, hi-cap mags, loads carefully selected to kill and maim, etc. -- I suspect the novice burglar would have been killed.

What load did he have in his .38? was it TMJ, JHP, JSP, WC, SWC, HBWC, RN, GDHP, DCSP or other? And were they 110 grain, 125 gr, 135 gr, 140 gr, 148 gr, 158 gr, 170 gr or 180 gr?
I tried googling leg seeking wound only 38 caliber loads but didn't find any specific information.
Again, where does it indicate he was a 'novice'? Will he now move to intermediate status, assuming the severe penalty does not change his mind on his life of crime?
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
25. No I did not. Man shot was unarmed. Man who shot, has prior gun convictions. Those are facts.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jun 2012

Wright was not arrested for shooting intruder -- as the OP suggests -- he was arrested for violating gun laws.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
29. Baseless assertions in bold
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:38 PM
Jun 2012
Now, with respect to Chicago's gun laws -- first, the burglar didn't have a gun (maybe laws make it hard for novice criminals to get guns, that's a good thing).

Second, Wright only has a 38 and chose to shoot unarmed burglar in leg (good move Wright). What if Wright had been like many hardened gun owners -- with assault rifles, hi-cap mags, loads carefully selected to kill and maim, etc. -- I suspect the novice burglar would have been killed.

Chicago's gun laws seem to be working, except in extremely high crime areas where drug dealers kill each other with guns imported from other states, etc.


They aren't even opinion. You present them as fact without any reasonable foundation for doing so.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
30. Unicorn, just about anything you, I or anyone else posts here is an opinion.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:59 PM
Jun 2012

Just because you don't like my opinions about guns and those who love and abuse them, doesn't make the opinions wrong.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
31. Opinions are fine but if you present a statement as fact you should back it up.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:12 PM
Jun 2012
How do you know he was a novice criminal?

How do you know the homeowner "chose" to shoot the criminal in the leg as opposed to some other intended outcome?


Rightness or wrongness of an opinion isn't so much the issue as being factual; unless you're implying you present your assumptions as facts. For instance, you stated the homeowner had a prior criminal record. That's a fact. That's a valid assertion.

It's the baseless stuff masquerading as fact that diminishes the balance of your posts. Ad homs and hyperbole never help either. Maybe you could take some classes on marketing or something.

sarisataka

(18,672 posts)
32. Notice none of my questions
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:35 PM
Jun 2012

In #5 had anything to do with the arrest of the homeowner. I had found that he had a felony record. I did remark on the 'sentence' the burglar received.

My questions pertain to asserts made that assumed facts not in the article.

era veteran

(4,069 posts)
13. Link?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 12:51 AM
Jun 2012

"Chicago's gun laws seem to be working, except in extremely high crime areas where drug dealers kill each other with guns imported from other states, etc."

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. Maybe if you had spent some time to research the short little article,
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:46 PM
Jun 2012

You would have noticed why homeowner was originally charged.

era veteran

(4,069 posts)
20. No, I wondered where YOU got YOUR 'facts'
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:51 AM
Jun 2012

Don't change the subject, don't say the Google is easy & don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
Back it up.
that's all.......

era veteran

(4,069 posts)
33. Don't much appreciate the right wing slur.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:29 AM
Jun 2012

You post stuff you back it up or shut up instead of making snide sideways attacks. I have been marching in the streets since 1971 for progressive reasons, against the war, and still did 4 years honorable service in the Army.
Your passion is admirable if misdirected. So don't make crap up, research first.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
18. The only time I am a "hardened gun owner,"
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 12:32 PM
Jun 2012

The only time I am a "hardened gun owner," is when my girlfriend is feeling frisky.



And during those frisky rumpus times, the firearms stay safely stowed away...

The rest of the time, the two of us are just regular citizens who reserve the right to defend our home if necessary. Basically, we fall into the 'mostly harmless' category.

K&R to highlight the absurdity of Chicago's enforcement priorities.

-app

safeinOhio

(32,690 posts)
16. You saying a convicted felon
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 08:40 AM
Jun 2012

convicted of a violent gun crime should be able to possess a handgun?

Your headline leaves out "the rest of the story".

I'd say justice was more than served, as the old guy was let off even though HE DID break the law. But, you are trying to make this sound like a big injustice. What's up with that?

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
36. And when will you start?
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:47 PM
Jun 2012

Can't tell someone else to do something if you aren't willing to do it yourself...

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
39. Keep trying.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:55 PM
Jun 2012

You have several posts where you have offered an opinion as fact without any substantial evidence to support it. That is not responsible and you still have the duty to substantiate those statements before you can call somebody else to do the same. You have a lot of work to do, better get started.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
38. Coming from you that is unf*cking believable....
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:47 PM
Jun 2012

Your irresponsible and irrational posts are legendary here and elsewhere. To call someone else on it is about the biggest PKB I have seen here in quite some time.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
40. Well, seems like a bunch of you thought Wright was arrested for shooting a robber. Truth is
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:19 PM
Jun 2012

he was not. You guys never search for the truth. As a "professor," you should do that. You guys post threads like this with a heading that implies Wright was arrested for defending his home. That was not the case.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
41. More unjustified assumptions and broad brush smears
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:08 PM
Jun 2012

I did not post the OP and I read about the event before it was posted here.

One of the reasons I can so easily debunk what you and others post is that I do read things and care about context.

Don't tar me with your common mistakes, oversights and errors.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
44. Nor did I say you made any...so much for your reading comprehension
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:05 AM
Jun 2012

What I said that for someone with your track record to call someone on not fully reading or understanding something they posted was a classic PKB.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
27. Your title is misleading. By the time the burglar pleaded guilty, the charges against
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:18 PM
Jun 2012

the homeowner had already been dropped. Your title implies that the charges are still outstanding against the homeowner.

era veteran

(4,069 posts)
35. Two comments at the link, LOL
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:30 PM
Jun 2012

2 comments
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joannroth
6/9/12 3:22 PM CDT
The homeowner should have been gave an award and a chance to reload.... Mark As Violation

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firepwr3
6/9/12 3:44 PM CDT
I grew up in Chicago but left in part because if I were to defend myself from scumbags like this kid, I would risk prison, while 9 times out of 10, the thugs get let off with a slap on the wrist. <br/><br/>My question is when are the citizens of Chicago going to say "Enough!" and abolish the utterly ridiculous (and failed) gun control laws? <br/><br/>John C. Mark As Violation

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