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June 8, 2012 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- A 19-year-old Chicago man has pleaded guilty to burglary in connection with an attempted break-in during which he was shot.
Anthony Robinson was shot in the leg by the homeowner as he tried to break in and steal liquor, according to police.
Robinson was sentenced to two years probation and community service.
The homeowner, 81-year-old Homer Wright, was initially charged with unlawful use of a weapon in the case. That charged was later dropped.
It is good that the charges against the homeowner were dropped, but he never should have been charged in the first place. The sentence for B&E with burglary seems very light to me.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)According to other reports (which doubters can look up), Wright was charged with one felony count of unlawful use of a weapon after police discovered he had two prior weapons convictions from 1968 and 1994, officials said. Records show Wright also was convicted of theft in 1990. In the 1990 and 1994 cases, Wright got probation.
Now, with respect to Chicago's gun laws -- first, the burglar didn't have a gun (maybe laws make it hard for novice criminals to get guns, that's a good thing).
Second, Wright only has a 38 and chose to shoot unarmed burglar in leg (good move Wright). What if Wright had been like many hardened gun owners -- with assault rifles, hi-cap mags, loads carefully selected to kill and maim, etc. -- I suspect the novice burglar would have been killed.
Chicago's gun laws seem to be working, except in extremely high crime areas where drug dealers kill each other with guns imported from other states, etc.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)to the homeowner. It may be too late if one waits to find out. I would have shot him too if I was home alone because my hubby was out of town.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Fact is, this situation worked out well. And, although the OP didn't do the work to find out why Wright was arrested, there were real reasons Wright was originally charged.
Center of mass- best chance for an incapacitating hit
Assuming of course he didn't surrender when offered.
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)-- my goodness but it's suddenly warm in here.
sarisataka
(18,672 posts)Maybe he couldn't get one, maybe he thought he wouldn't need one against an octogenarian.
How do you know he is a 'novice' criminal.
Can you point out where he claimed he intentionally shot at the leg?
What load did he have in his .38? was it TMJ, JHP, JSP, WC, SWC, HBWC, RN, GDHP, DCSP or other? And were they 110 grain, 125 gr, 135 gr, 140 gr, 148 gr, 158 gr, 170 gr or 180 gr?
I tried googling leg seeking wound only 38 caliber loads but didn't find any specific information.
Again, where does it indicate he was a 'novice'? Will he now move to intermediate status, assuming the severe penalty does not change his mind on his life of crime?
Clames
(2,038 posts)Another post by Hoyt...
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)You might want to look into that...
Clames
(2,038 posts)...as much as they need to be dismissed out of hand...
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Wright was not arrested for shooting intruder -- as the OP suggests -- he was arrested for violating gun laws.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Second, Wright only has a 38 and chose to shoot unarmed burglar in leg (good move Wright). What if Wright had been like many hardened gun owners -- with assault rifles, hi-cap mags, loads carefully selected to kill and maim, etc. -- I suspect the novice burglar would have been killed.
Chicago's gun laws seem to be working, except in extremely high crime areas where drug dealers kill each other with guns imported from other states, etc.
They aren't even opinion. You present them as fact without any reasonable foundation for doing so.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Just because you don't like my opinions about guns and those who love and abuse them, doesn't make the opinions wrong.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)How do you know the homeowner "chose" to shoot the criminal in the leg as opposed to some other intended outcome?
Rightness or wrongness of an opinion isn't so much the issue as being factual; unless you're implying you present your assumptions as facts. For instance, you stated the homeowner had a prior criminal record. That's a fact. That's a valid assertion.
It's the baseless stuff masquerading as fact that diminishes the balance of your posts. Ad homs and hyperbole never help either. Maybe you could take some classes on marketing or something.
sarisataka
(18,672 posts)In #5 had anything to do with the arrest of the homeowner. I had found that he had a felony record. I did remark on the 'sentence' the burglar received.
My questions pertain to asserts made that assumed facts not in the article.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)"Chicago's gun laws seem to be working, except in extremely high crime areas where drug dealers kill each other with guns imported from other states, etc."
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)You would have noticed why homeowner was originally charged.
era veteran
(4,069 posts)Don't change the subject, don't say the Google is easy & don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
Back it up.
that's all.......
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)era veteran
(4,069 posts)You post stuff you back it up or shut up instead of making snide sideways attacks. I have been marching in the streets since 1971 for progressive reasons, against the war, and still did 4 years honorable service in the Army.
Your passion is admirable if misdirected. So don't make crap up, research first.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)The only time I am a "hardened gun owner," is when my girlfriend is feeling frisky.
And during those frisky rumpus times, the firearms stay safely stowed away...
The rest of the time, the two of us are just regular citizens who reserve the right to defend our home if necessary. Basically, we fall into the 'mostly harmless' category.
K&R to highlight the absurdity of Chicago's enforcement priorities.
-app
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)safeinOhio
(32,690 posts)convicted of a violent gun crime should be able to possess a handgun?
Your headline leaves out "the rest of the story".
I'd say justice was more than served, as the old guy was let off even though HE DID break the law. But, you are trying to make this sound like a big injustice. What's up with that?
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Clames
(2,038 posts)Can't tell someone else to do something if you aren't willing to do it yourself...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)You have several posts where you have offered an opinion as fact without any substantial evidence to support it. That is not responsible and you still have the duty to substantiate those statements before you can call somebody else to do the same. You have a lot of work to do, better get started.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Your irresponsible and irrational posts are legendary here and elsewhere. To call someone else on it is about the biggest PKB I have seen here in quite some time.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)he was not. You guys never search for the truth. As a "professor," you should do that. You guys post threads like this with a heading that implies Wright was arrested for defending his home. That was not the case.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I did not post the OP and I read about the event before it was posted here.
One of the reasons I can so easily debunk what you and others post is that I do read things and care about context.
Don't tar me with your common mistakes, oversights and errors.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)What I said that for someone with your track record to call someone on not fully reading or understanding something they posted was a classic PKB.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)But give me an example.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)the homeowner had already been dropped. Your title implies that the charges are still outstanding against the homeowner.
era veteran
(4,069 posts)2 comments
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joannroth
6/9/12 3:22 PM CDT
The homeowner should have been gave an award and a chance to reload.... Mark As Violation
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firepwr3
6/9/12 3:44 PM CDT
I grew up in Chicago but left in part because if I were to defend myself from scumbags like this kid, I would risk prison, while 9 times out of 10, the thugs get let off with a slap on the wrist. <br/><br/>My question is when are the citizens of Chicago going to say "Enough!" and abolish the utterly ridiculous (and failed) gun control laws? <br/><br/>John C. Mark As Violation
Tejas
(4,759 posts)YUP!