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GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:50 AM Jul 2012

UN Arms Trade Treaty

This is copied directly from the UN webpage: http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/
I have bolded one sentence.

The ATT will not:
•Interfere with the domestic arms trade and the way a country regulates civilian possession

•Ban, or prohibit the export of, any type of weapons
•Impair States' legitimate right to self-defence
•Lower arms regulation standards in countries where these are already at a high level.

An Arms Trade Treaty will aim to create a level playing field for international arms transfers by requiring all States to abide by a set of standards for transfer controls, which will ultimately benefit the safety and security of people everywhere in the world


That should take care of the fears of those who think the UN will somehow effect US private gun ownership. At the same time, it does no harm to closely follow the negotiations and to see what they produce. I will be watching the news and the UN website for information and will post developments.

Personally I am pessimistic that the treaty will actually have any real-world effect. Most governments are dictators and if a dictator wants guns, he will get them. And if an organization wants to supply guns to some rebels, if they have the money, they will get them. All it will take is a few extra bribes and all the paperwork will appear to be in order and the inspectors will look in the wrong crates, inspect the wrong ship, etc. Or they will make their own, as they do in home shops in Pakistan.
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UN Arms Trade Treaty (Original Post) GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 OP
Why are some defending it so vehemently? Tejas Jul 2012 #1
If this interferes with the 2A in any way permatex Jul 2012 #2
Will effect import of civilian legal arms/ammo? OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #3
UN treaty Meiko Jul 2012 #4
There is zero chance of 2/3 of the present Senate ratifying it slackmaster Jul 2012 #5
Dictators are like gang leaders. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #6
Treaty is dead in the water. Clames Jul 2012 #7
The United Nations Wants Your Guns America Scancast Jul 2012 #8
 

Tejas

(4,759 posts)
1. Why are some defending it so vehemently?
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 05:46 PM
Jul 2012

We have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, we have the ITAR laws and regs set forth by the State Dept, why do we need the UN law? Yes, call it a "treaty" all you want if it makes you feel better, it will be used by the zealots as a "law".

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
2. If this interferes with the 2A in any way
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:01 PM
Jul 2012

this treaty will be DOA at the Senate where a 2/3 vote is needed for passage.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
4. UN treaty
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:58 AM
Jul 2012

means nothing. It will just drive the arms trade business further underground than it already is. If some warlord wants his AK-47's he is going to get them.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
6. Dictators are like gang leaders.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:16 PM
Jul 2012

The treaty may have good intentions but the bad guys don't give a rats posterior about laws/treaties.

Would there be less dictatorships if those countries lead by dictators had an equivalent 2A?

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
7. Treaty is dead in the water.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:42 PM
Jul 2012

China, Russia, Pakistan, US, UK, France, Canada, and a host of others and it only takes one to not sign to make the whole thing null. China and Russia are already balking. US is too. Whatever is passed will be so watered down it may as well not even exist. Sounds good on paper but like so many gun-control laws it doesn't pass scrutiny of the real world and common sense.

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