If the police can't properly train their own officers, the education system needs to pro-actively step in and teach the basics of safely handling and storing lethal weapons.

the only sane answer is to get rid of the guns. Kids should be taught to never touch a gun and to shun those who do. They should be taught that it is NEVER acceptable to have a gun in the home.

Sounds likes Catholics and masterbation.

Start with yourself please.

The problem is that the ADULT had not been properly taught gun safety.

They should be taught that it is NEVER acceptable to have a gun in the home.

How would you enforce your safe, gun-free Utopia if police weren't allowed to have guns?

Oh yeah, you think only government employees should legally be able to have firearms because you are an authoritarian.

Cops have a way of ending up dead in this country, if they aren't armed off-duty. That's why they DO have nation-wide concealed carry. For some reason, the off-duty risk seems higher than similarly-developed EU nations, which is interesting, but neither here nor there on this particular tragedy.

Sadly, this officer sucked at weapon retention.

where have we heard that before?

/and did it work?

So it should work for guns....

Come to think of it, a little more sex and drugs would probably go a long way towards relieving the aggressions that drive people towards militant gun fanaticism.

Maybe get that anger and agression down a little.

...it's worthwhile.

How exactly would you go about removing all the guns that are currently available in the US. Tell us the answer.

of inanimate objects.

do you consider that "irrational"?

If so, how?

And if so, WHY, for God's sake?

I say the only sane answer is to get rid of the kids

"Kids should be taught to never touch a gun and to shun those who do. They should be taught that it is NEVER acceptable to have a gun in the home."

And what are you doing to make ths happen besides whining about it on the internet?

Talk about extreme zealots.

Another innocent life wasted by $^&^#$@% a gun.

but it wasn't the gun that wasted him, it was the fucking idiot who was negligent in leaving it where the kid could get to it.
The father, of all people, should have known better.

Prove it, I'm sure there are links out there proving your wild claim.

or is this just more of your,(cue music) feelings, nothing more than feelings.

I made a prediction based on the gun owners I've known. I think I'm close to bullseye.

you have no proof of your prediction.

You have an obvious prejudice towards gun owners and I suspect that the gun owners you claim to know, you acted like a dick to them and they gave it right back and now you think all gun owners are bad people when in reality, the huge majority of gun owners are honest, responsible citizens judging by the gun owners I know.

You seem to be the only one here that has had a run in with every gun owner you've ever met, why is that?

toward fellow citizens among the gun carrying and gun accumulators.

You can't claim that you FEEL threatened to justify shooting someone, despite what you may believe.

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Would you consider a higher caliber of friends?

the explosion of gun ownership and CCW is not a recent phenomena. How long a delay do you anticipate?

or was it a department issue gun?

That's where the system failed.

and it's likely he had more training that some grade school classroom volunteer could ever offer.

The boy is dead. Killed buy a gun.

RIP, little fellow.

Cops aren't infallible you know. The boy is dead but he was killed by negligence. Not the gun's fault unless you just like assigning blame to inanimate objects.

Killed by a bullet from a gun.

Blaming an inanimate object is about as lame as it gets. A person is at fault no matter how you spin it..

BTW, where's your expression of grief for the little boy?

*crickets*

...because we don't live in fantasy realms where objects of steel, wood, and plastic acquire sentience. Oh, and post #16.



*crickets laughing at you*

The gun cut a hole in the back of the safe after removing its trigger lock. A quick conversation with the magazine and they worked together to force an unwilling bullet into the gun. They waited in secret until the child came into the room, then... we know the rest.

**or**

would you be railling against cars?

I bet... not.

You should really get the worn-out gungeon talking points in a row.

is not for firearm training or Chainsaw training.

...the proper wear of PPE and proper maintenance of them and related tools at the university I went to for certain Agriculture related majors.

and fire safety and poison safety. It is not a 10 hour operational curriculum. They teach children that there are dangers associates with items they may come into contact with and how to avoid injury.

For some reason guns, which can be found in many homes or in public discarded by criminals are not considered worthy of mention in schools.

kids have never touched a gun. They are in high school now.

No school my kids went to teach Ladder Safety either.

Not even show a real one for that matter, kids know what they look like.

I envision gun safety along the same lines as 'don't play with matches'. We don't give kids matches or burn the school down to show them the danger.
I would also agree to a parental opt-out since so many have strong feelings on this issue.

We were taught about climbing things in the library with the 2-step stool. Proper positioning and someone there for safety. 100% translatable to ladders.

There is a metric butt-load of safety training in primary schools.

There should be an optional gun safety class I agree with you!

WHy didn't they? Was it not available? Everyone should be able to do useful things with basic tools and materials.

Do you think swimming lessons should be provided to poor kids who don't have access to water? It's the same concept IMO.

A lot of children, perhaps most, never have an opportunity to learn the importance of storing firearms safely because their parents are unable or unwilling to teach it..

You pick the ones to train about? And you and I know there are very few accidental gun deaths.
All kids will have sex.

Any reduction in STDs and unplanned pregnancies is worth devoting a few hours out of the school year to teach that which parents should, but often don't teach.

Chemicals, sharps, electrical, powered tools, impact items....

You've got 12 years to do this, and to learn critical/associative thinking. This shouldn't really be that hard for the average kid.

...school.

In 7th grade wood shop I learned how to operate a drill press, jigsaw, table saw, belt sander, and paint-spraying equipment. We weren't allowed to use the band saw, and I got the mistaken idea that the one in our class was called a "banned saw" for that reason. (The 9th graders in advanced wood shop were allowed to use it.)

I took a graphic arts class and used ultra-sharp block cutters, a power guillotine paper cutter, and highly toxic photo processing chemicals.

Metal shop was really fun - Heating pieces of steel to cherry-red hot and banging on them with a hammer. Using an oxyacetylene torch to braze and weld. The engine lathe. A boy's paradise!

Many people are surprised to learn that my high school had a thriving, very popular auto shop class when I was there. (It's not in a neighborhood where one would expect an auto shop class to be taught.)

It closed down about 10 years ago, really a loss for the community.

I want o wait for facts before condemning any one person. They do say they don't know how it happened, if the child shot himself or someone else shot him. I sure the parents are in all sorts of grief right now, i don't want to add to it by making an assumption of blame.

Stories like this always break my heart.

shouldn't be allowed to take those things home. There's no reason for one of them to have one of those things outside of duty. Again we see the harm that that sort of reckless policy causes.

and explain again

RIP. Another example of adult complacency. Why would anyone leave a gun where a child could get a hold of it...if that's what happened that is.

There are about 54 million children 12 or under in the U.S. About 50 to 55 a year die in firearm accidents. That is about one in a million. That is a rate that is low enough to need no change in laws or policy. Remember that guns also save lives by enabling people to defend themselves against crime.

Your post is illogical. It is logical that if those type of people didn't have guns then the child could not have been killed. If the gun doesn't exist, then it can't kill. Or, are you going argue against that fact?

...then you would be more concerned about those things that kill far more children than guns do. Swimming pools kill more children than guns.

Guns also save lives. You aren't taking into account the lives saved

alcohol for example? How can we accept the presence of alcohol in society given the damage it causes? Not only the carnage due to drunk drivers, but its impact on domestic and child abuse.

Is one death too many?

If you follow a group of children from birth to age 12, taking into account the risk of accidental firearm death each year, about 11 per million will die in that time from an accidental firearm injury. The risk is rather low until age 2, then increases until children start attending kindergarten and elementary school, at which point it drops substantially until the children reach about age 10. After age 11, the risk rises substantially every year: if you follow a group of children from birth to age 17, taking into account the risk of accidental firearm death each year, about 25 per million will die in that time from an accidental firearm injury

The numbers for all firearms deaths are much higher, of course. If you follow a group of children from birth to age 12, taking into account the risk of firearm death each year, about 47 per million will die in that time from a firearm injury. This risk also increases until children start attending kindergarten and elementary school, then drops substantially until the children reach about age 10. Again, after age 11, the risk rises substantially every year: if you follow a group of children from birth to age 17, taking into account the risk of firearm death each year, about 189 per million will die in that time from a firearm injury

Inquiring minds want to know

secured his cop issue gun before his son finding it. Since this "specially trained to handle weapons under stress" cop failed to something I learned as a ten year old, not leaving a loaded gun sitting around, maybe Norway has the right idea, have an armed populous and disarm the cops.

Deputies investigating accidental shooting of police officer's daughter
Author: Rob Kauder, Internet Content Manager, robk@kxly.com
Published On: Apr 10 2012 04:23:53 PM PDT Updated On: Apr 10 2012 06:34:08 PM PDT
SPOKANE, Wash. - The Spokane County Sheriff's Office is investigating the accidental shooting of the 10-year-old daughter of a Spokane police officer with the officer's duty weapon ... http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/Deputies-investigating-accidental-shooting-of-police-officer-s-daughter/-/101214/10446592/-/15n47rt/-/index.html

Gilbert police: AJ officer's son's shooting of sister an accident
Officer's son fired gun, hitting sister
by Jim Walsh - May. 6, 2012 09:29 PM
The Republic | azcentral.com
Gilbert police have concluded that a March 20 incident where the 10-year-old son of an Apache Junction police officer shot his sister with his father's service weapon was accidental ... http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2012/04/30/20120430police-shooting-girl-accident.html

Washington Officer's Daughter Accidentally Shot Dead by Kid Brother
By GILLIAN MOHNEY
March 12, 2012
The 7-year-old daughter of a police officer died Sunday after being accidentally shot by her younger brother in Stanwood, Wash. The shooting occurred Saturday, when the siblings were alone in their parked family van and the boy found a loaded gun in the glove compartment, police said. The gun discharged as the boy was handling it ... http://abcnews.go.com/US/washington-officers-daughter-accidentally-shot-dead-kid-brother/story?id=15903266

Son of Maryland Heights officer found gun in dresser drawer, police say
BY JOEL CURRIER • jcurrier@post-dispatch.com > 314-340-8256 | Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2011
MARYLAND HEIGHTS • Police say the 3-year-old son of a Maryland Heights police officer who fatally shot himself Tuesday with his father's handgun had found the weapon in a top dresser drawer ... http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_36f7a26a-b3ca-11e0-8e42-0019bb30f31a.html

Police: Lakeland cop linked to accidental shooting of 10-year-old boy suspended, arrested
Investigators said Officer Rawn Haynes left a loaded gun in his car with a 7-year-old boy and the boy's 10-year-brother on Sept. 16.
By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
October 21, 2010
... Investigators said Officer Rawn Haynes left a loaded gun in his car with a 7-year-old boy and the boy's 10-year-brother on Sept. 16. Haynes had gone into to his parents' home on Kaley Avenue in Orange County so his own son could change his clothes inside, when deputies said the 7-year-old found Haynes' gun in a bag and fired it, shooting his brother in the hand ... http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-10-21/news/os-lakeland-officer-arrested-suspende20101021_1_accidental-shooting-lakeland-cop-lakeland-police

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