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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:51 PM Jul 2012

While you are perfectly free to treat gun owners like Pamela Geller treats Muslims, consider this:

(And when I say "like Pamela Geller treats Muslims" I mean claiming the actions of the criminal minority is indicative of the majority, while simutaneously 'knowing' how the entire group thinks)

Legal gun owners constitute about 22-25% of the entire US population. And being legal gun owners, the are all old enough to vote.
And they do so, at a rate higher than the population as a whole. "Fine", you might say "we can still do without them".

But here's the nub of the gist-being +/- 25% of the population, that means as a group they are larger than:

*Asian-Americans
*African-Americans
*Hispanics
*GLBT people
*Union members

So, while you, personally may be willing to do without their votes- are you going to grasp the nettle and demand Democrats as a whole do without their votes?

Further, did you not consider that all the RW needs to do to find Gellerish remarks here about gun owners is to quietly drop a few $ on a membership?

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While you are perfectly free to treat gun owners like Pamela Geller treats Muslims, consider this: (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 OP
I'm confused... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #1
If you donate, it unlocks the advanced search function. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #6
TY discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #13
are gun owers single issue voters? samsingh Jul 2012 #2
Yes, some gun owners are single issue voters... MicaelS Jul 2012 #4
can we not be sensitive to both environments? samsingh Jul 2012 #8
Here is my opinion gejohnston Jul 2012 #12
Hey I have friends that resemble that ' Idaho Trailer Trash' remark!! CokeMachine Jul 2012 #16
I grew up in SW Wyoming gejohnston Jul 2012 #17
Thoughts... benEzra Jul 2012 #7
those are reasonable points samsingh Jul 2012 #9
racist americans will vote a certain way whether or not they own guns nt msongs Jul 2012 #3
True- but the reverse is not true. See most Duers with guns, or the Liberal Gun Club: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #5
And who was talking about racist Americans? HALO141 Jul 2012 #10
I'm not sure what that poster meant exactly but I've seen plenty of comments 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #18
Me too. HALO141 Jul 2012 #19
Gun owners are hateful human beings....we don't need ileus Jul 2012 #11
said the pot to the kettle... alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #14
ileus does a lot of sarcasm without the sarcasm tag. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #15

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
2. are gun owers single issue voters?
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 12:56 PM
Jul 2012

do they care about healthcare, the economy, Gay/Lesbian rights, good government?

also - i've seen very few people arguing for the banning of guns. Most are looking only for ways to bring down the death toll by guns. Should this not be a mutual goal?

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
4. Yes, some gun owners are single issue voters...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jul 2012

In my life I have known a number of gun owners. Many of whom say they will never vote Democratic as long as the party is seen as the party of Gun Control / Prohibition.

In addition the idea arose in the party that the only people that matter are those in the large urban centers. Thus they can demand and have any and all gun laws they want. But the problem is those laws end up affecting the rest of the country, which does NOT live in the big Urban areas, and does not want Gun Control / Prohibition. This has helped drive away those in small town and rural areas.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
12. Here is my opinion
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:02 PM
Jul 2012

Too many on the other side think that guns are totally unregulated and there are not federal gun contols. Some actually think you can buy a machine gun at Walmart and buy a pistol online without going to an FFL. Brady et al do their best to keep people misinformed. Truth is, there are five current federal gun control laws. A good way to predict what will happen is what happened in the past. If we look at the history of US or gun laws anyplace else, and their effects on violent crime this is what happens:
Pass law-nothing happens-gun control advocates call for "reasonalbe restrictions" to plug a loophole
"Loophole filled"-nothing happens-call for gun control, implying there is none-continue cycle because nothing happens.
Just look at UK and Jamacia.

Meanwhile, the root cause is ignored. While city folks are blaming inner city shoot outs on deer hunters and "trailer trash rednecks" in Idaho, many of them are the ones contributing to the problem. The problem is not the gun culture. The immediate problem is drug prohibition and the drug culture. That does not ignore the deeper problems like wealth inequality, unequal funding of schools, jobs moving to the suburbs and China, racism, city officials who don't acutally give a shit about the poor because they can't line their pockets.

When talking heads like Thom Hartmann or Randi Rhodes rant about how awful it is when a gun club teaches kids responsible gun ownership and marksmanship, as if that is the problem, while coddling drug culture.

 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
16. Hey I have friends that resemble that ' Idaho Trailer Trash' remark!!
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 02:09 AM
Jul 2012

Just messing with ya I grew up in a small town in SE Idaho and most of my friends lived in trailers -- or as they called them "Modular Mobile Homes".

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
17. I grew up in SW Wyoming
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 02:32 AM
Jul 2012

Wish I could convince the wife to leave Florida, wait I'm starting to sound like...................................

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
7. Thoughts...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jul 2012

I'm a gun owner and competitive shooter, and while I'm not a single issue voter, I care about the gun issue as much as I care about the others.

If you care about abortion rights, would you vote for a candidate who promised to outlaw all abortions after the tenth week and make violations a 10-year Federal felony, if he was good on economic issues? Why or why not?

also - i've seen very few people arguing for the banning of guns. Most are looking only for ways to bring down the death toll by guns. Should this not be a mutual goal?

It should, and could, be a mutual goal. However, most gun control activists *are* trying to ban the most popular guns, even those that are statistically the least misused (e.g. modern-looking rifles). There is common ground to be found, but it is *not* found in new bans, IMO.
 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
18. I'm not sure what that poster meant exactly but I've seen plenty of comments
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 09:18 AM
Jul 2012

from others that claim gun owner = racist.

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