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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:04 PM Aug 2012

So today I ran an experiment. I didn't learn anything new.

Gun owners don't care that an increase in the number of guns in daily life increases the chances of being a victim of gun violence.

A gun in a group setting that in prior times was a setting where guns were not permitted increases the chances that an innocent person could be a victim of gun violence either accidentally or purposely.

That is not the same as the chance of being hit by a car. Bringing guns where previously there were no guns increases the risk where no risk existed. It adds additional risk.

But gun owners don't care.

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So today I ran an experiment. I didn't learn anything new. (Original Post) upaloopa Aug 2012 OP
Honey badger dont give a shit rrneck Aug 2012 #1
LMAO HALO141 Aug 2012 #30
because you showed up with a closed mind gejohnston Aug 2012 #2
Here's what I learned: lastlib Aug 2012 #8
That isn't NEARLY as much fun as you seem to suggest. holdencaufield Aug 2012 #12
Project much? Missycim Aug 2012 #16
+10000000 Hoyt Aug 2012 #17
Instead of trying to psycho analyze us, Lurks Often Aug 2012 #21
Ew. Callisto32 Aug 2012 #22
Strange. I have owned firearms for 51 years and I have never stuck the barrel of one in my mouth. .. spin Aug 2012 #29
Rule 1 sarisataka Aug 2012 #31
Sounds like the voice of experience. nt rrneck Aug 2012 #32
Thanks for that peek into your brain. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #34
Gun owners don't care? Equate Aug 2012 #3
Carrying a gun in a city ain't "responsible." Hoyt Aug 2012 #18
No. 1 Equate Aug 2012 #20
Of course you oppose carrying a gun in a city ... spin Aug 2012 #28
Only rural people have the right to self-defense. Gotcha. Common Sense Party Aug 2012 #40
So violence other than gun violence is OK with you? GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #4
Sounds like your experiment was a failure. Clames Aug 2012 #5
It might have been a success rrneck Aug 2012 #6
*hi-five* Callisto32 Aug 2012 #23
Granted. rrneck Aug 2012 #26
"So today I ran an experiment." Well, bless your heart.... PavePusher Aug 2012 #7
So today I ran an experiment. I didn't learn anything new. virginia mountainman Aug 2012 #9
It would be wrong... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #11
Don't forget the *GASP* virginia mountainman Aug 2012 #13
"coloured pencils" are... HALO141 Aug 2012 #33
I can't go out of the house without a couple of pencils strapped to my body. Common Sense Party Aug 2012 #41
Do you not know what an experiment is? NT holdencaufield Aug 2012 #10
Please describe your methodology, metrics, and data collected ProgressiveProfessor Aug 2012 #14
My hypothesis is that HALO141 Aug 2012 #35
You forgot the hit and run post part ProgressiveProfessor Aug 2012 #39
Who died or was injured in your experiment? Do tell. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #15
Just one small problem with your post, upaloopa slackmaster Aug 2012 #19
An experiment, eh? Callisto32 Aug 2012 #24
Gun owners are the only ones that care. ileus Aug 2012 #25
WOW sarisataka Aug 2012 #36
Okay, let me make sure I understand your conclusion. NewMoonTherian Aug 2012 #27
Today, I also ran an experiment. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #37
I am trying to figure out.... sarisataka Aug 2012 #38
What kind of Jenoch Aug 2012 #42

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
1. Honey badger dont give a shit
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:24 PM
Aug 2012

about your experiment.

First gun threads in Meta, now Meta threads in the gungeon. This thread needed a lounge post.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
2. because you showed up with a closed mind
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:28 PM
Aug 2012

and had no intention of learning something new. Here is what I learned from my experiment:

gun control activists have limited critical thinking skills and have no consistently logical arguments. When presented with peer reviewed science by criminologists or FBI and ATF statistics, they whine about "NRA talking points."

gun control activists are mostly wealthy urbanites. Some right leaning some left leaning.

gun control activists don't seem to be concerned with larger issues involving violence and violent crime in general. The exclusive emphasis on "gun violence" makes me wonder if they actually are concerned.

lastlib

(23,286 posts)
8. Here's what I learned:
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:23 AM
Aug 2012

Gun nuts don't give a shit how many people DIE from their toys, as long as they get to fellate the barrel every night.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
21. Instead of trying to psycho analyze us,
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:47 AM
Aug 2012

maybe you should pay someone to psycho analyze YOU, since you're the one mixing oral sex and firearms together.

spin

(17,493 posts)
29. Strange. I have owned firearms for 51 years and I have never stuck the barrel of one in my mouth. ..
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:38 AM
Aug 2012

You have a very vivid imagination.

sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
31. Rule 1
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:47 AM
Aug 2012
1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.
 

Equate

(256 posts)
3. Gun owners don't care?
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:33 PM
Aug 2012

Whatever, you've already got your mind make up a long time ago.
You don't know crap about legal gun owners, there are always going to be careless owners/carriers, is that a reason to punish the 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%
of us that are responsible owners/carriers?
BTW, I live in the Sparks area and this is an exception rather than the norm.

 

Equate

(256 posts)
20. No. 1
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:15 AM
Aug 2012

I don't live in the city, I live just east of Sparks off I-80.
No. 2- I really don't care what you think is "responsible". The law says I can so, I do.

spin

(17,493 posts)
28. Of course you oppose carrying a gun in a city ...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:34 AM
Aug 2012

as you oppose victim rights laws. There are more victims in the cities than in the rural areas.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
4. So violence other than gun violence is OK with you?
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:39 PM
Aug 2012

By being armed as I go about my daily life I have the ability to fight of violent crime if I should be so unlucky as to be targeted by some criminal. Your method leaves me as a defenselss victim. So my total risk is decreased.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
7. "So today I ran an experiment." Well, bless your heart....
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:23 AM
Aug 2012
Gun owners don't care that an increase in the number of guns in daily life increases the chances of being a victim of gun violence.

And you know this from your citing to the stats that gun crime and crime in general are down.... how?


I didn't learn anything new.

Probably because you never intended to.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
9. So today I ran an experiment. I didn't learn anything new.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:25 AM
Aug 2012

Pencil owners don't care that an increase in the number of pencils in daily life increases the chances of being a victim of pencil violence.

A pencil in a group setting that in prior times was a setting where pencils were not permitted increases the chances that an innocent person could be a victim of pencil violence either accidentally or purposely.

That is not the same as the chance of being hit by a car. Bringing pencil where previously there were no pencils increases the risk where no risk existed. It adds additional risk.

But pencil owners don't care.

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Congratulations, you made a post that is ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS and DEVOID of content AND meaning...

And is really REALLY silly when one looks at it logically...

And people wonder why the Anti-gun side gets NO traction.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
11. It would be wrong...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:31 AM
Aug 2012

... to take all pencils out of the hands of law-abiding Americans.

But, how many pencils does anyone really need? Is more than two really necessary? What about coloured pencils? Don't they end up causing more problems than they solve? And don't even get me started on over-sized novelty pencils -- no one should ever be allowed to own one of those.

I think, if can be reasonable, we can agree that law-abiding members of society can be allowed one -- maybe even two -- Number Two pencils and that should fulfill all their pencil needs.

HALO141

(911 posts)
33. "coloured pencils" are...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:55 AM
Aug 2012

1) Just a gateway to more dangerous writing instruments like Sharpies and Marks-a-lot.

2) Racist.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
41. I can't go out of the house without a couple of pencils strapped to my body.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:57 PM
Aug 2012

And don't get me started on the pencil fellating!

HALO141

(911 posts)
35. My hypothesis is that
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:57 AM
Aug 2012

his methodology is to read 3 threads in the RKBA group and take note of the fact that the pro-control side of the debate can't seem to win a single point.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
19. Just one small problem with your post, upaloopa
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:04 AM
Aug 2012

Your premise "...an increase in the number of guns in daily life increases the chances of being a victim of gun violence...." is simply not true.

sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
36. WOW
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:07 PM
Aug 2012

And I though gun owners were the ones who didn't care about victims and were paranoid conspiracy nuts....

I counted one (1) passing comment of concern for the injured guard
There were zero (0) references to the NRA enabling this. Apparently the NRA does not promote attacks on right wingers?
Instead it is the media's fault and/or a Trojan Horse operation to build sympathy for the right.

Glad the shooter was stopped before he could kill anyone.

NewMoonTherian

(883 posts)
27. Okay, let me make sure I understand your conclusion.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 10:40 AM
Aug 2012
Zero guns in area: Zero risk of gun violence.

More than zero guns in area: More than zero risk of gun violence.

Have you alerted the press?



Also, it's exactly the same as the chance of being hit by a car.

Zero cars in area: Zero risk of being hit by a car.

More than zero cars: More than zero risk of being hit by a car.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,364 posts)
37. Today, I also ran an experiment.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:16 PM
Aug 2012

Well, actually I didn't, because I already knew the outcome, so why bother with all that "science" crap.

upaloopa, what method did you use to arrive at your conclusions? I hope it was better than my method.


sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
38. I am trying to figure out....
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:42 PM
Aug 2012

what is the hypothesis and what is the conclusion.

I will agree that in a closed environment comparison, the one that has a gun does have a greater risk than the one without of gun violence. I am not sure how much greater the risk is and no data is provided.
I cannot address the risk of being hit with a car as no parameters are stated for the presence, or lack of, for cars.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
42. What kind of
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 05:23 PM
Aug 2012

gathering is it that you refer? What is the purpose of this gathering? How many people are gathered? What are the genders and how many of each are gathered? What time of day do these gatherings take place? What are the locations of these new group gatherings? What is the economic status of those gathering in this new group?

You have left out all kinds of information you need to provide before an accurate assessment of the dangers of your new group gathering can be ascertained. I will await your reply.

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