Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumSo today I ran an experiment. I didn't learn anything new.
Gun owners don't care that an increase in the number of guns in daily life increases the chances of being a victim of gun violence.
A gun in a group setting that in prior times was a setting where guns were not permitted increases the chances that an innocent person could be a victim of gun violence either accidentally or purposely.
That is not the same as the chance of being hit by a car. Bringing guns where previously there were no guns increases the risk where no risk existed. It adds additional risk.
But gun owners don't care.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)about your experiment.
First gun threads in Meta, now Meta threads in the gungeon. This thread needed a lounge post.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and had no intention of learning something new. Here is what I learned from my experiment:
gun control activists have limited critical thinking skills and have no consistently logical arguments. When presented with peer reviewed science by criminologists or FBI and ATF statistics, they whine about "NRA talking points."
gun control activists are mostly wealthy urbanites. Some right leaning some left leaning.
gun control activists don't seem to be concerned with larger issues involving violence and violent crime in general. The exclusive emphasis on "gun violence" makes me wonder if they actually are concerned.
lastlib
(23,286 posts)Gun nuts don't give a shit how many people DIE from their toys, as long as they get to fellate the barrel every night.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)And it tastes awful!
Missycim
(950 posts)Nt
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)maybe you should pay someone to psycho analyze YOU, since you're the one mixing oral sex and firearms together.
Just...ew.
spin
(17,493 posts)You have a very vivid imagination.
sarisataka
(18,770 posts)This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)But let's not make it a regular thing okay?
Equate
(256 posts)Whatever, you've already got your mind make up a long time ago.
You don't know crap about legal gun owners, there are always going to be careless owners/carriers, is that a reason to punish the 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%
of us that are responsible owners/carriers?
BTW, I live in the Sparks area and this is an exception rather than the norm.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I don't live in the city, I live just east of Sparks off I-80.
No. 2- I really don't care what you think is "responsible". The law says I can so, I do.
spin
(17,493 posts)as you oppose victim rights laws. There are more victims in the cities than in the rural areas.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Silly TaliBanner.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)By being armed as I go about my daily life I have the ability to fight of violent crime if I should be so unlucky as to be targeted by some criminal. Your method leaves me as a defenselss victim. So my total risk is decreased.
Clames
(2,038 posts)Or did you fail the experiment? Hard to tell really.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)if he was testing for confirmation bias.
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)That's a good one. I'll put it in my box of snark, with author's permission of course.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)I'm an open source wise ass.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)And you know this from your citing to the stats that gun crime and crime in general are down.... how?
Probably because you never intended to.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)Pencil owners don't care that an increase in the number of pencils in daily life increases the chances of being a victim of pencil violence.
A pencil in a group setting that in prior times was a setting where pencils were not permitted increases the chances that an innocent person could be a victim of pencil violence either accidentally or purposely.
That is not the same as the chance of being hit by a car. Bringing pencil where previously there were no pencils increases the risk where no risk existed. It adds additional risk.
But pencil owners don't care.
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Congratulations, you made a post that is ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS and DEVOID of content AND meaning...
And is really REALLY silly when one looks at it logically...
And people wonder why the Anti-gun side gets NO traction.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... to take all pencils out of the hands of law-abiding Americans.
But, how many pencils does anyone really need? Is more than two really necessary? What about coloured pencils? Don't they end up causing more problems than they solve? And don't even get me started on over-sized novelty pencils -- no one should ever be allowed to own one of those.
I think, if can be reasonable, we can agree that law-abiding members of society can be allowed one -- maybe even two -- Number Two pencils and that should fulfill all their pencil needs.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)Mechanical Pencils!!! They seldom get dull, and when they do, you "reload" them.....
HALO141
(911 posts)1) Just a gateway to more dangerous writing instruments like Sharpies and Marks-a-lot.
2) Racist.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)And don't get me started on the pencil fellating!
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)HALO141
(911 posts)his methodology is to read 3 threads in the RKBA group and take note of the fact that the pro-control side of the debate can't seem to win a single point.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Your premise "...an increase in the number of guns in daily life increases the chances of being a victim of gun violence...." is simply not true.
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)What was your methodology, and how did you control.
I'll wait....
ileus
(15,396 posts)Here is the kind of stuff you have to wade thru from the non-gun owners.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=195189
And I though gun owners were the ones who didn't care about victims and were paranoid conspiracy nuts....
I counted one (1) passing comment of concern for the injured guard
There were zero (0) references to the NRA enabling this. Apparently the NRA does not promote attacks on right wingers?
Instead it is the media's fault and/or a Trojan Horse operation to build sympathy for the right.
Glad the shooter was stopped before he could kill anyone.
NewMoonTherian
(883 posts)More than zero guns in area: More than zero risk of gun violence.
Have you alerted the press?
Also, it's exactly the same as the chance of being hit by a car.
Zero cars in area: Zero risk of being hit by a car.
More than zero cars: More than zero risk of being hit by a car.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,364 posts)Well, actually I didn't, because I already knew the outcome, so why bother with all that "science" crap.
upaloopa, what method did you use to arrive at your conclusions? I hope it was better than my method.
sarisataka
(18,770 posts)what is the hypothesis and what is the conclusion.
I will agree that in a closed environment comparison, the one that has a gun does have a greater risk than the one without of gun violence. I am not sure how much greater the risk is and no data is provided.
I cannot address the risk of being hit with a car as no parameters are stated for the presence, or lack of, for cars.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)gathering is it that you refer? What is the purpose of this gathering? How many people are gathered? What are the genders and how many of each are gathered? What time of day do these gatherings take place? What are the locations of these new group gatherings? What is the economic status of those gathering in this new group?
You have left out all kinds of information you need to provide before an accurate assessment of the dangers of your new group gathering can be ascertained. I will await your reply.