Four thugs shoot at CCWer, shoots back, kills one, others flee.

Details are sparse. It appears that self-defense shootings are so common that they barely rate coverage in the papers. I googled trying to find more details but found little more than that the incident was black-on-black crime.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120917/NEWS05/309170030/Police-Detroit-man-shot-back-at-would-be-robbers-killed-teen?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

I submit for consideration that the thugs were extremely anti-social as evidenced by their attempting to rob, and shooting at, an innocent 50 yr old man. The CCWer's actions were strongly pro-social as he saved his own productive life and removed from society a predatory violent criminal. Yet there are those here that would condemn the old guy as being anti-social for nothing more than being prepared to use violence in self-defense.

Further, there are those who claim that there is no need for a person to be ready to defend themselves. This guy did nothing worse than going to a shopping mall parking lot where he was violently attacked with gunfire from four thugs. Sometimes it is impossible to avoid violent crime. Sometimes it seeks you out. Sometimes, you have to fight or die.

It is sad that a young person's life ended so suddenly, but he chose to be a violent felon. Since past actions are the best predictor of future behavior, it is highly likely that if the old guy had been unarmed, then the dead teen would have gotten away and gone on to commit other violent crimes and victimize more people. The old guy, by being armed and fighting back, saved not only himself but future victims from this thug.

Further, notice that he had no difficulty identifing who the bad guys were. Some antis claim that in the stress of the moment it would be next to impossible to correctly identify whom is the bad guy. It was really quite simple. Duh - the bad guys were the ones shooting at him.

Notice that he didn't hit any innocents, just one of the thugs. According to some anti posters the old guy should have been incapable of accurate return fire, but would have spray fired the area hitting innocent people while missing the bad guys. So far the only ones that we have seen do that are the NYPD cops. He hit one of the thugs and nobody else.