Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumThe issue isn't 'safety'; it's guns
Sadly, these stories aren't really about school safety, but instead address the troublingly difficult effort to keep guns out of the area's public schools in the aftermath of the two most recent school gun incidents. Rather than forthrightly acknowledging that we are talking about firearms, the conversation is muffled in the misdirectional and anodyne term "safety." But our schools don't have a "safety" problem; they have a firearms availability problem.
Children who come to school intending to harm others can do so by other methods besides guns; maybe school leaders are just being thorough by grouping these discussions under the term safety. But I don't really think so. If the schools call it a firearms problem, it will trigger a flurry of complaints from gun owners, who are likely to angrily reject any mention of gun control. I think the selection of the word safety is intentional, and its dishonesty prevents us from having a meaningful conversation about the real problem. Somehow, it's OK to contemplate marching little kids through a metal detector every day but heaven forbid we offend the tender sensibilities of the National Rifle Association.
Many things carry inherent risk. People who own swimming pools are generally required to enclose the pool in a fence and pay higher homeowner's insurance rates because an unfenced pool is dangerous to unsupervised children. And you can't own a car without buying liability insurance. We accept these requirements because we understand that it's not fair to impose the costs associated with the risks we choose on other people.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-09-19/news/bs-ed-schools-guns-20120919_1_gun-owners-school-gun-incidents-metal-detectors
Optical.Catalyst
(1,355 posts)socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)Look at the attitudes of kids today. Our fathers had guns when we were kids but we never brought them to school.
We had knives - we never brought them to school
We had baseball bats - Nobody ever clubbed anyone.
If you hit anyone you were disciplined
This whole idea of kids and gang members shooting each other
has evolved over the years. Until you change the attitudes you'll
have problems. If you get rid of the guns, they'll use knives. Get rid
of knives they'll use clubs.
It is illegal to kill people - yet they do.
Change the attitude - stop the acceptability of killing as an easy way to resolve an issue.
What are these kids going to do when they get elected to congress?
As they grow older their attitudes will change.
We need to find a way to motivate the change in attitude - now not later
A friend's son got in a fight because someone stole a ten dollar bill and they went at each other
with a pipe and a 2 X 4. I asked why he associated with these people who stole money and he called them friends. He said, You don't understand, that's the way things are these days.
He was right - I didn't understand - and I still don't.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I brought a cased 12-gauge shotgun to school to be used in speech class, a demonstration speech on how to clean a shotgun. My older brother did the same thing a year earlier. When I was in high school we would sometimes go duck hunting before school and race to get to school on time with the shotgun, ammo, and hunting boots, jackets, waders, etc. in the trunk of the car. I realize this is a far cry from what is happening now, but the guns were basically the same 30 years ago as they are now. Society and kids have changed.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... that kids have changed.
I would submit that ADULTS have changed. Adults, by no longer instilling in children a sense of personal responsibility or the concept that actions have consequences have created and environment where kids don't know what is expect of them.
Kids today aren't bad or even worse than those of the past -- they only seem that way because they respond to a lack of guidance from adults.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)When I said 'society and kids have changed' my point was that people have changed and guns have always been available. I slightly disagree with your seemingly to let the kids off the hook almost entirely.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)It doesn't matter what the reason - the kids have changed
Whether it's the parents of the video games or peer pressure
The question is how do we reverse the child's attitude
I hear you say that better parenting would be a possibility
Sounds like a place to start.
How do we retrain the parents - an ad campaign - like -don't little?
Instead - Your kids listen to what you say
It's a start - What about messages from teachers ?
ileus
(15,396 posts)firearms are innocent victims...
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)But they do care about fighting some bullshit culture war.
Missycim
(950 posts)NT
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Every high school graduate should know how to safely unload the most common types of firearms.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Do you think making it double-illegal would do anything? Maybe doubleplus-illegal.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)It's parenting and poverty.
I'm sure that those kids who bring guns to school probably don't have pools at home.
It'd be interesting to know if the guns going to school were "legally" owned by the parents?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)petronius
(26,603 posts)to have kids ought to pay every scrap of the costs associated with sub-adults in our society? Heck, I'll pitch in my bit of the cost of the metal detector if she covers my share of just the school...