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Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 03:54 PM Sep 2012

From CREDO: "Reinstate the Federal Assault Weapons Ban"

From a hard-copy of my 9/12 bill (my new computer won't link, or properly structure paragraphs):

"Military-style semiautomatic weapons that take high-capacity clips were outlawed for civilian use under the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. In subsequent years, crimes traced to such weapons dropped 66%. Unfortunately that law expired in 2004. It's time to reinstate the ban. About 270 people are shot every day in the U.S., nearly 100,000 each year. In recent mass killings in Wisconsin and Colorado, the shooters used semiautomatic assault weapons. Many things must change to stop the next massacre, but we can start with the common-sense step of banning civilians from buying assault weapons meant for military use."

Many problems with this statement:

(1) Nothing in the "ban" banned anything except 10+ round capacity;

(2) No figures for their "66%" drop, or for the number of "subsequent years;"

(3) The figures of 270 "shot every day" and "100,000 each year" have little bearing on this proposed ban;

(4) "Many things must change...but we can start" suggests yet another long-range, incremental slog toward general prohibition;

(5) "...weapons meant for military use" is demonstrably wrong: All armies now use FULL-AUTO. Semi-auto-only is now obsolete.

I have my data plan with CREDO, and I support there overall social goals. But they must learn that there is nothing progressive about gun control, and I so informed them. Again.



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From CREDO: "Reinstate the Federal Assault Weapons Ban" (Original Post) Eleanors38 Sep 2012 OP
They use Sprint towers gejohnston Sep 2012 #1
The FBI never tracked crimes with "semiautomatic assault weapons" as a distinct category, so... slackmaster Sep 2012 #2
Demonstrably false. Callisto32 Sep 2012 #3
One correction on (5) Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #4
Depends on the model. Clames Sep 2012 #5
I was using the batf definition of machine gun.nt Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #11
I'm sorry ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #6
I get all my legal advice from my hair dresser.... PavePusher Sep 2012 #7
I am much Oneka Sep 2012 #10
They of course meant; mean looking accessory ban. ileus Sep 2012 #8
No what they meant was Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #9

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
1. They use Sprint towers
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 03:59 PM
Sep 2012

and Sprint doesn't work very well in my part of Florida, and not at all in Wyoming when I'm there.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
2. The FBI never tracked crimes with "semiautomatic assault weapons" as a distinct category, so...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 04:03 PM
Sep 2012

...where did that "66%" drop figure come from? FBI crime statistics have only broken down firearms into pistols and revolvers, rifles, shotguns, and a generic "other" which includes machineguns and other unconventional weapons.

This smells like bullshit.

 
4. One correction on (5)
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 04:32 PM
Sep 2012

We changed from full auto to 3 round burst on the M16(M4). Things like the SAW still use full auto but not the main rifle.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
5. Depends on the model.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:07 PM
Sep 2012

M4A1's are SAFE/SEMI/AUTO, M4's and M16A2/A4's are SAFE/SEMI/BURST, M16A3's share M4A1 trigger groups. Supposedly the Army is going to the M4A1 across the board.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
6. I'm sorry ...
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:39 PM
Sep 2012

... but what in the name of all that is holy does a mobile phone company know about either gun, or crime?

Does Amazon have an official position on Highway Speed Limits?

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
7. I get all my legal advice from my hair dresser....
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:38 PM
Sep 2012

or at least I would if I had a hair dresser. Doesn't everyone do this?

Oneka

(653 posts)
10. I am much
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:34 AM
Sep 2012

More inclined to take firearms ownership, and use advice, from my dental hygenist.

Everyone knows they're super smart!

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