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Man shoots ski-mask-wearing intruder at his sister's house...ends up being his son. (Original Post) Animal Chin Sep 2012 OP
It seems the young man made some poor decisions, which cost him his life slackmaster Sep 2012 #1
Darwin Award for sure, but there is no need to confront someone on the front lawn. Stay in your rDigital Sep 2012 #2
I agree in principle, but in this case it sounds like the sister was alone in her house, petronius Sep 2012 #4
What do we need? Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #3
Do you support complete civilian disarmament? nt rDigital Sep 2012 #5
do you support completely unrestricted civilian armament? Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #7
Why is it that you can't answer a question w/o a question? glacierbay Sep 2012 #8
If it were a straight question it would have been answered. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #9
Forget it, it's like asking a Republican about Hispanics: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #15
What happens when you ask ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #49
I've known a few Hispanic Republicans. They were not nice people. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #52
Thanks for confirming what I just said on a couple of other threads: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #11
so you won't answer the question? Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #14
I'll be glad to: You *do* support complete civilian disarmament. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #17
Thanks for confirming that there is no attempt at honest discourse here. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #18
I am book marking this for your next thread in meta about ideological purity ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #20
you mean the purity of "zero tolerance for right wing bullshit on DU"? Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #28
That's odd, I like Vermont's gun laws. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #32
Hey, *I'm* not the one being evasive about my ultimate goals. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #23
How did this become about real estate salespeople? ToxMarz Sep 2012 #26
sure you are, using the same standard you are using to attack me, you are Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #27
Bullshit. I think true-blue Vermont's gun laws are a model for the entire nation. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #30
lets review this fascinating discussion. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #37
LOL! rrneck Sep 2012 #38
Not to worry. Just proceed as if they are, in fact, gun prohibitionists. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #45
Your refusal to answer the most simple of questions is very telling. jbgood1977 Sep 2012 #43
Well, he learned *one* thing from a certain politician: Things you say can and will... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #46
That was worthy of our late Canadian sophist. All that verbiage to dodge a question. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #44
Since when... alabama_for_obama Sep 2012 #53
I fully support our current laws. Your turn. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #19
I support reasonable restrictions on purchases and carrying of weapons in public. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #29
And what would these "reasonable restrictions" *be*, exactly? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #31
you can refer to 10,000 boring discussions here covering that ground. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #35
Do I hear coconuts banging together? nt rrneck Sep 2012 #39
They MIGHT be horses ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #40
Let me know when they show up. nt rrneck Sep 2012 #42
Not even the NRA supports that. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #21
Nope Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #51
Put the strawman back in the cornfield, dude - farmers have enough petronius Sep 2012 #6
What do we need? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #12
this is what happens when you let the NRA dictate policy in a gun crazy society gopiscrap Sep 2012 #10
Let us know what, exactly the NRA had to do with this... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #13
By fostering a gun culture gopiscrap Sep 2012 #22
Sort of like the ACLU's 'responsibilty' for the "Innocence of Muslims" video, IOW. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #25
Gun culture? holdencaufield Sep 2012 #41
Is protecting yourself an NRA member only concept? ileus Sep 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #16
Where did you hear that? Animal Chin Sep 2012 #33
I was relying on the non-updated story on the link, which has just been corrected. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #34
A musician friend of mine... HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #24
So the moral of the story is... PavePusher Sep 2012 #54
Guns and more guns! bongbong Sep 2012 #36
Father did what he had to do. ileus Sep 2012 #47
I'm confused ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #50
You can't fix stupid. Marinedem Sep 2012 #55
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rDigital

(2,239 posts)
2. Darwin Award for sure, but there is no need to confront someone on the front lawn. Stay in your
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:20 PM
Sep 2012

house and call the popo. If they still try to bust in....take action.

This sounds like an unnecessary escalation on the shooters behalf.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
4. I agree in principle, but in this case it sounds like the sister was alone in her house,
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:24 PM
Sep 2012

and the brother (shooter) was coming from next door to protect her. It's possible that he encountered the intruder while en route, rather than deliberately escalating the confrontation.

Tragic and sad, without a doubt...

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
8. Why is it that you can't answer a question w/o a question?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:55 PM
Sep 2012

Try giving a straight answer and then you'll get an answer. And you guys wonder why you're not trusted with the 2A.
So, I'll try, do you support complete civilian disarmament?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
15. Forget it, it's like asking a Republican about Hispanics:
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:06 PM
Sep 2012

The answer you get will depend on who the audience is...

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
52. I've known a few Hispanic Republicans. They were not nice people.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:29 PM
Sep 2012

Lets just say that the ones I knew tended to make the average teabagger look like Dwight Eisenhower when the subject of non-right wing Hispanics was raised...

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
11. Thanks for confirming what I just said on a couple of other threads:
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:01 PM
Sep 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=74736

How about answering his question first?

Wonder why we don't trust you lot? Simple: It's like pulling teeth to get a straight answer out of you



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=74735

Probably not. Most of them keep their opinion on the QT so as to appear 'reasonable'

Keep that in mind the next time one of them complains about one of their "common-sense" proposals being blocked, or our being unwilling to "compromise".
My response to the "compromise" schtick has always been along the lines of:

"Since rather too many of you lot have stated that banning gun ownership is your goal, I have to ask what you are willing to give up in
order to acheive 'compromise'?" In the course of 6+ years here at DU, I've yet to see a one of them willing to give up anything.

That's the kind of people we are dealing with.




 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
32. That's odd, I like Vermont's gun laws.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:54 PM
Sep 2012

And if you can descibe Vermont as "right-wing" with a straight face, you may find a second career as a poker player lucrative...

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
23. Hey, *I'm* not the one being evasive about my ultimate goals.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:34 PM
Sep 2012

Asking what you want shouldn't be like asking a dodgy real estate salesperson about a house built on a landfill they're trying to sell me.

I understand why you lot like to keep schtum about your real positions- they're frankly not very popular these days- but it's
more than slightly ridiculous to pretend that they are not what they are.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
27. sure you are, using the same standard you are using to attack me, you are
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:35 PM
Sep 2012

for unrestricted armament of civilians, you just keep your radical beliefs secret.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
30. Bullshit. I think true-blue Vermont's gun laws are a model for the entire nation.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:50 PM
Sep 2012

Vermonters 21 and over can walk into a gun shop, go through a NICS check and walk out with a non-Class 3 firearm.
No waiting period, no vetting by politically suspect law enforcement, no bans on esthetic grounds of firearms that are rarely misused.
Seems to work, the Burlington MSA of 200K population or so has a lower violent crime rate than similar areas here in "gun-safe" Massachusetts.

There ya go. No "unrestricted armament of civilians". And since you are reluctant to answer the question asked of you, here's another:

What new restrictions on guns in the US do you support?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
37. lets review this fascinating discussion.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:17 PM
Sep 2012

I'm asked if I support confiscating all guns from everyone. I decline to answer a rather stupid question. That is then cited as proof that I support confiscating all guns from everyone. You decline to answer my equivalently stupid question about unrestricted armament of civilians. I cite that as proof, using the prior standard, that you support unrestricted armament of civilians. You call bullshit. Well I agree, but it is a little late. The bullshit started way up thread.

The current gungeoneer coordinated talking point is that we are all crypto confiscators. We arent. You all should go back to coordinated dismay over the horror of "google dumps".

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
45. Not to worry. Just proceed as if they are, in fact, gun prohibitionists.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:36 PM
Sep 2012

Unfortunately for them, those who share their goals tend to have occasional bouts of word vomit where they come right out and admit what they really want...

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
46. Well, he learned *one* thing from a certain politician: Things you say can and will...
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:46 PM
Sep 2012

...come back and bite you in the ass. Other posters here have not learned this yet, so get their "inconvenient" posts quoted back at them on a regular basis.

alabama_for_obama

(136 posts)
53. Since when...
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:04 PM
Sep 2012

Since when does a lot of people having similar opinions mean that they have somehow actively colluded with one another to agree to have these opinions?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
31. And what would these "reasonable restrictions" *be*, exactly?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:51 PM
Sep 2012

And in your own words, why are they necessary?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
35. you can refer to 10,000 boring discussions here covering that ground.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:10 PM
Sep 2012

I'm more or less finished with the interrogation. Thanks though, it was fun.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
21. Not even the NRA supports that.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:25 PM
Sep 2012
do you support completely unrestricted civilian armament?

I believe you will find most people and organizations like the NRA do not support "completely unrestricted civilian armament".

For two easy examples, we do not support people with certain criminal histories owning guns, nor people who have been adjudicated mentally incompetent or having been involuntarily committed to a mental institution owning guns.



Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
51. Nope
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:41 AM
Sep 2012

But I wouldn't mind seeing some reasonable restrictions enforced and I certainly wouldn't mind learning that the NRA leadership had all dropped dead...it can be of natural causes....

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
12. What do we need?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:01 PM
Sep 2012

Fewer criminals!

/I suppose she could have just called the cops and they could have shot him. That would have been better right?

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
10. this is what happens when you let the NRA dictate policy in a gun crazy society
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:58 PM
Sep 2012

I would love to know if the dad and sister are reupublicans! and even more so if they support the NRA!

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
13. Let us know what, exactly the NRA had to do with this...
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:04 PM
Sep 2012

...and I'll be happy to take them to task on your behalf.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
22. By fostering a gun culture
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:25 PM
Sep 2012

and the right to have a fucking gun over all else including the common safety and good...FUCK THE NRA!!!!

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
25. Sort of like the ACLU's 'responsibilty' for the "Innocence of Muslims" video, IOW.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:38 PM
Sep 2012

And if this turns out to be legitimate self-defense, will you still blame the NRA?

Response to Animal Chin (Original post)

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
24. A musician friend of mine...
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:38 PM
Sep 2012

wrote a great song about a western folk tale of a sherriff tracking down and shooting a stagecoach robber, only to discover after de-masking robber it was his wife. Look up Dean Johanesen on google or facebook... incredible songwriter.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
54. So the moral of the story is...
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:20 PM
Sep 2012

...don't rob stage coaches...

But seriously, I looked him up, good stuff there. Thanks!

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