no reason to think they would suddenly become problems on campus. I see no reason why CCW on college campuses shouldn't be treated the same way as it is in the rest of the particular state...

Basically he says armed civilians with concealed carry permits are better trained and more responsible than cops. Now that's a self-serving argument which is more wishful thinking than anything else. Just think about it for a minute. Police officers have a basic training to undergo in the beginning of their careers and often mandatory follow-up training. Civilians have none of that. In some states they literally have no requirements to carry concealed. How could they possibly be better equipped to handle guns than the cops?

Then their "mandatory follow-up training" is requalifying once a year. That is firing a single 50 round box of ammo to requalify. I have trained many of those cops how to shoot their firearms.

Many civilian shooters, the ones that go thru all of the trouble of getting that permit shoot hundreds if not thousands of rounds a month.

the local police to use our range to re-qualify.

But one of those "well trained" cops you speak of has. Oh, guess you didn't know about that recent incident did you? You also don't have a clue what constitutes police training with firearms either. Your simplistic rants have been proven false numerous times in the past. How do you explain that there are some 200 campuses that allow CCW without incident? You can't of course. Simple fact is that you have nothing to prove your assertion of "where there are more guns there is more gun violence". The true fact is that violent crime has continued falling while civilian owned guns in the US have increased considerably. Have anything that contradicts the FBI Mikey? Didn't think so.

That's just silly.

I says, 6:5 and you pick 'em...

Considering the OP well -- never mind. May I add a little BB since it's gone.

and thousands of drunken kids armed with machine guns started shooting everyone.

Ignore reality, reality is the lie that 2nd amendment enthusiasts use to deceive the faithful and turn them away from the holy word. Instead imagine a world far worse than any that has ever existed and it is that way because of guns.

Sounds pretty bad huh?

"The USA Today staff goes on to argue"

Shouldn't you be quoting Italy today?

Not like there isn't data available for shots fired/target hit between police officers and civilians. (Yes, technically, police are civilians as well, unless MP's)

Most police officers don't shoot guns very often. They qualify once/twice a year, and that's it. (some notable exceptions teach classes and shoot competitively.)


No, most civilians don't get training, but that doesn't mean they don't shoot more often than, and probably better than, the police. Civilians aren't burdened with things like training for how to apprehend a violent criminal while retaining their weapon and dozens upon dozens of classroom hours of stuff we don't need to carry a firearm in public safely.

The only problem is no one is wishing guns had never been created. No one wants to disarm everyone. No one wants to take their guns away.

The USA Today staff argued, “More guns on campus—places where binge drinking, drug taking and immature judgment are common—will undoubtedly cost more lives than they save.”

The USA Today staff goes on to argue that assuming everyone with a concealed gun permit is well trained is a recipe for disaster, citing the nine bystanders shot by NYPD during the Empire State Building shooting this summer.

The simple fact is that where there are more guns there is more gun violence. Sometimes that violence takes subtle forms, for example, imagine an aggressive and armed student angry over his grade on a term paper. In confronting the offending professor he lets it be known that he's carrying. Does anyone think this kind of interpersonal dynamic will improve the university environment and increase higher learning?

No, the prohibition of guns on college campuses is a sensible and reasonable restriction on general gun rights. The proof is that even in some of the most gun-friendly states it is the policy. In fact only six states allow it and that's after years of non-interference by the government in the expanding gun-rights situation.

Because if that's the case that would explain why he never seems to die, comes back with less and less plausible plots every time, and is not a huge fan of non-machete based weapons.

/also why he'd have so much free time, the guy only works like one day out of the year.

you wouldn't get so nasty in response. The fact is what I say makes sense that's why it pushes your buttons.

doesn't make them right.

/and you've been caught making numerous false claims. That doesn't smack of a strong argument.

And that's a good thing...

I'm not talking about the out-and-out criminals. That's one of the stupidest arguments you guys have, and you keep repeating it, criminals won't obey the laws.

I'm not talking about criminals, I'm talking about lawful gun owners who subtly use their weapon to bully others or get an advantage.

You don't think armed students would do that? None of them, ever?

brandishing or making threats is felony in many states. Also, you are talking about established patterns of behavior. Bullies tend to have criminal records.

You don't think unarmed students would do that? None of them ever?

But for some reason we have to wait until they reveal themselves (by committing a crime) before stripping them of their rights.

This is NOT Minority Report. And Mikey damn sure ain't a Movie Star.

decisions how they want Adult Students to comply within their written bylaws, policies and procedures. I would think that Public Facilities would demand compliance of whatever Federal, State and Local Laws are already drafted and on the books.

You sound like you are Big Daddy talking to children.