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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:46 PM Oct 2012

Gun Deaths Outpace Motor Vehicle Deaths in the DMV

Gun deaths now outpace motor vehicle deaths in the DMV.

That's according to a new analysis by my organization, the Violence Policy Center, of just-released federal firearm and motor vehicle deaths data for the District, Maryland, and Virginia.

The analysis, which uses the most recent complete data available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, reveals that, in 2010:

Gun deaths in the DMV totaled 1,512 while motor vehicles deaths totaled 1,280.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/gun-deaths-outpace-motor_b_1955347.html
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Gun Deaths Outpace Motor Vehicle Deaths in the DMV (Original Post) SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
No wonder my vehicle insurance is so cheap here in Virginia. ileus Oct 2012 #1
And how much is liability insurance for the gun you carry? SecularMotion Oct 2012 #2
I don't carry a gun but I do carry one million dollars in personal liability insurance slackmaster Oct 2012 #4
Should gun owners who carry in public be required to have liability insurance? SecularMotion Oct 2012 #5
Required? No, in my opinion... petronius Oct 2012 #7
No- it's the equivalent of a poll tax, or Minnesota's tax on newsprint that the SC eliminated. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #8
No. The risk they pose by carrying guns is negligible. slackmaster Oct 2012 #9
Uh, no.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #11
No - they don't represent a threat to public safety. hack89 Oct 2012 #19
Of course not. Those people are less likely to break the law than everyone else. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #20
People who are prone to . . .. 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #21
I dunno. How much are your poll taxes? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #6
Let's cherry-pick some GOOD news and spin it as BAD news! slackmaster Oct 2012 #3
Also it is exceedingly rare to kill someone in self defense with a car 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #16
Let me see if I have this right.. EX500rider Oct 2012 #10
Ban Tall Buildings! holdencaufield Oct 2012 #12
Did you know that tall buildings are entirely unregulated? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #17
Great point. n/t Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #22
The VPC makes the NRA look like a good data source. ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #13
Sometimes statistics are a big plexiglas drum with a handcrank, full of draft numbers.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #14
46% of the gun deaths were suicides hack89 Oct 2012 #15
People wouldn't kill themselves if they didn't have guns 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #18

ileus

(15,396 posts)
1. No wonder my vehicle insurance is so cheap here in Virginia.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:53 PM
Oct 2012

Saved 2500 bucks a year just moving to Virginia back in 2006.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
4. I don't carry a gun but I do carry one million dollars in personal liability insurance
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:04 PM
Oct 2012

On my homeowner's policy.

How about you, SecularMotion?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
8. No- it's the equivalent of a poll tax, or Minnesota's tax on newsprint that the SC eliminated.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:22 PM
Oct 2012
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/460/575/

And since some of your fellow travelers have been quite explicit about wanting such a requirement to impede gun ownership, this will never fly.

Thanks for the verbal diarrhea, restrictionistas!
 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
9. No. The risk they pose by carrying guns is negligible.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:33 PM
Oct 2012

That said, I feel that everyone who isn't bedridden should have liability insurance. Not mandated by law; it just makes financial sense.

Homeowners have a lot to lose, and renter's insurance is dirt cheap.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. No - they don't represent a threat to public safety.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:53 PM
Oct 2012

if they had to, it would cost nearly nothing because legal public carry does not represent a threat to public safety.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
20. Of course not. Those people are less likely to break the law than everyone else.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:52 PM
Oct 2012

If you did legislate such a requirement, the insurance would be pitifully cheap.

My insurance company didn't even ask if I owned firearms for any of the policies I own, including my million dollar umbrella policy.

If it was an actuarial risk of any consequence, I'm sure they'd ask.

But they probably figured out that people who buy insurance policies probably don't get involved in much firearm crime.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
21. People who are prone to . . ..
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:53 PM
Oct 2012

. . . yell controversial political statements around a heated election probably carry a greater risk of getting their asses kicked while in public. Or waving signs, wearing shirts, handing out pamphlets etc with certain messages on them.

That would require greater expenses on our part to cover the cost of police enforcement, a trial for the people who attack him, and so on.

Ergo anyone who holds controversial views should first be required to pay a small fee to the government to cover these unlikely but possible expenses before they are allowed to publicly express an opinion.


Charging people an undefined amount to prior to allowing them their freedoms isn't fascism because we won't allow anyone to call it that (without paying an exorbitant fee).

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
6. I dunno. How much are your poll taxes?
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:17 PM
Oct 2012

Oh, sorry- I forgot- you don't have any, and neither does any other American, because deliberately trying to impede exercise of a Constitutionally protected activity is a no-no.

Fortunately for us freedom lovers, you lot have been rather loose-lipped about wanting an insurance requirement for precisely such a reason. For example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021012742#post127

Strangely enough, when such insurance is offered, you complain about that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002803907

I haven't seen such self-contradiction on the subject of guns outside Mitt Romney's collected press releases..

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
3. Let's cherry-pick some GOOD news and spin it as BAD news!
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:02 PM
Oct 2012

Traffic deaths are DOWN, but you are still FAR more likely to be killed in a car crash than in a violent attack by someone misusing a firearm.

Nationally, there were 31,672 firearm deaths reported in 2010. That same year there were 35,498 motor vehicle deaths nationwide.

Very few of the motor vehicle deaths were suicides, whereas about half of the firearm deaths were.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
16. Also it is exceedingly rare to kill someone in self defense with a car
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:42 PM
Oct 2012

I won't say it's impossible per se but it is far less likely than using a gun for self-defense.

Really they ought to only count unjustified murders/homicides (and exclude self-defense and suicide).

Of course that would greatly reduce the number of firearm deaths, hurting their argument.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
10. Let me see if I have this right..
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:53 PM
Oct 2012

....when you suicide with a gun it's the gun's fault....so if you jump off a bridge or tall building who's fault is it?

Accidental car deaths US 2010: 32,885
Accidental firearm deaths US 2010: 650

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
12. Ban Tall Buildings!
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:04 AM
Oct 2012

There is no provision in the Constitution allowing for the construction of a structure over five stories -- how many floors does anyone REALLY need?

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
17. Did you know that tall buildings are entirely unregulated?
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:43 PM
Oct 2012

And one of the worlds largest buildings, the pentagon, has virtually no civilian usage?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. 46% of the gun deaths were suicides
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:22 PM
Oct 2012

Josh, why don't we treat it as a mental health issue and advocate for better health care?

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