Gun Control & RKBA
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The New York Post reportsAn ex-con wholl be old enough to collect Social Security next month was among 13 suspects busted for running two East Harlem gun-smuggling rings that sold mainly to teenage buyers, authorities said yesterday.
Infamous gun runner Mitchell Mickey Collins, 64, was the main target of a sting operation dubbed Mickey Mouse Trap, said Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.
Collins and three cohorts eventually peddled 88 guns to the undercover, including an AK-47 that fetched $1,600 and a .32-caliber Smith and Wesson that went for $400, Kelly said.
One accomplice, Sampson Taylor, 34, would allegedly take a bus to South Carolina, stock up on firepower from pawn shops and gun dealers, and transport the illicit arsenal back to the city, where the weapons sold for a 100 percent profit.
A total of 10 came from South Carolina, and one was purchased in Virginia, prosecutors said.
Why do the gun-rights advocates always try to ridicule the fact that guns are smuggled from lax-gun-law states to places like New York? Doesn't it make sense?
I think the reason they try to make fun of this or downplay it in one way or another is because they see how bad it is for their cause. This touches on the exact point at which guns pass for the law-abiding to the criminals. In places like South Carolina that happens too easily.
If measures were taken to stop that, the legitimate gun owners would be slightly inconvenienced. This is what the can't accept.
What's your opinion? Has there ever been a more self-centered advocacy group than the gun-rights crowd?
What do you think? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000
trouble.smith
(374 posts)and then travel back to their own state hundreds of miles away and you blame the other states? Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Proper gun control is lacking in many states and they seed into the gun flow pipeline. It could be easily stopped with no damage to the sacred 2A rights of law-abiding citizens.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and those "source states". Here is a question, why South Carolina? Vermont and New Hampshire have laxer gun laws and are closer. Either way, they did not buy them from pawn shops or FFLs for two reasons:
One was a convicted felon, likely the rest are too and would not have passed a background check. Of course, they most likely had New York IDs, so even if they had clean records, FFLs would not sell to them because that would violate the Gun Control Act. Of course, a private sale would also violate the Gun Control Act.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Lots of straw purchasers among the cousins down south.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)did you call the ATF? Why the south? The average Floridian is from New York, Ohio, and Michigan. They are more likely to have relatives here.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... a criminal broke a law?
Have you told anyone about this? It's ground-breaking
former-republican
(2,163 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)I do believe there are some people out there who buy firearms and they have no criminal intent. If they lived in another state they'd be perfectly legal. However due to draconian state laws they choose to be able to protect their family rather than let the crime technicians be responsible for the post-mortem reports. Hidden criminals my ass, they're people who've had their civil rights stolen from them. ie: NYC and Chicago.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... bringing large sodas into New York
If the state of New York wishes to have laws against anything that in the rest of the country is legal, it is their responsibility to monitor traffic coming in. I am sick of these guys in DC, NY, and Chicago complaining that violation of their laws is the responsibility of the rest of the country. How about either they handle their own enforcement or they come into line with the rest of us.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)come into alignment with them.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)The USA or the country in which you live?
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Why don't you participate in the discussion instead of being a tedious pain in the ass trying to disrupt?
Wait, I know, it's because your argument is shit and this is all you got.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Anger is never the answer.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)The only way this is possible is if they were stealing the guns, eh?
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Unfortunately anti-gun people are not interested in crime control they're interested in people control comrade.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)of just mindlessly repeating tag lines you think are cool. They're not.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the over emphasis on "gun violence" instead of "violence" is one indicator. Another are rants about "guns should not be fashion accessories" but the issue of public safety never gets mentioned. Of course, there is the "defending yourself equals vigilantism".
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Anti-gun people don't have the balls to confront criminals. Anti-gun people are more concerned with the rights of criminals than the victims. The anti-gun view of the world is narrow minded and narcissist. They pretend to be do-gooders but really the intent is cowardly and selfish.
Feel free to send the crybaby alert now, the action validates my assumptions and observations.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)If proper gun control laws were in effect and it required that people be qualified to own guns we'd all be better off. Some of you would not qualify. That's not the same as criminalizing gun owners.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... how many names / countries have you posted from today?
beevul
(12,194 posts)So hes at least half right, isn't he?
ileus
(15,396 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)The solutions have loop holes, oops another catch phrase.
I guess we could import micromanaging, fascist bureaucrats and form committees.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Do firearms sourced from NY ever show up in crimes in other states?
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Pawn shops have to have an FFL and do NICS checks. Likely those were private sales from local newspapers. Private sales aren't allowed to use the NICS system.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)I'm sure you think you'd get away with it too, if it wasn't for us meddling kids.
-..__...
(7,776 posts)An ex-con, illegally transporting firearms across state lines?
Hopefully, this will be handled at the Federal level (with much stricter sentencing).
File multiple charges, and he'll never see the outside of a prison wall for the rest of his natural life.
The others... 21 years old, they'll be eligible for SS by the time they're released.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)How about ... Solipsism for Me? A small, but vocal advocacy group.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)by definition advocating for its own interests?
I don't expect pro-vegan advocacy groups to support both vegan and conventional farming.
But apparently pro-2nd amendment groups have to be anti-2nd amendment or else they're being selfish.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)that's why Canada, with it's vast largely open border with many gun happy states is this continents Somalia.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)and possibly distribute supplies come spring.
But spring is a long ways away.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)..the rest of the world will remain indifferent the human cost of Vermonts lax gun laws!
Francis Marion
(250 posts)Those people termed 'gunrunners' are just undocumented FFLs.
Besides, they're only trying to make a living for their families.
Seriously- this is a lesson we already learned a LONG time ago with Prohibition: Make 'it' illegal, and a black market will appear for 'it.' What's the news story here? The only people hurt are the law abiding majority who remain defenseless.