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mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:10 AM Oct 2012

More Gun Smuggling - South Carolina to New York

The New York Post reports

An ex-con who’ll be old enough to collect Social Security next month was among 13 suspects busted for running two East Harlem gun-smuggling rings that sold mainly to teenage buyers, authorities said yesterday.

Infamous gun runner Mitchell “Mickey’’ Collins, 64, was the main target of a sting operation dubbed “Mickey Mouse Trap,’’ said Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

Collins and three cohorts eventually peddled 88 guns to the undercover, including an AK-47 that fetched $1,600 and a .32-caliber Smith and Wesson that went for $400, Kelly said.

One accomplice, Sampson Taylor, 34, would allegedly take a bus to South Carolina, stock up on firepower from pawn shops and gun dealers, and transport the illicit arsenal back to the city, where the weapons sold for a 100 percent profit.

A total of 10 came from South Carolina, and one was purchased in Virginia, prosecutors said.


Why do the gun-rights advocates always try to ridicule the fact that guns are smuggled from lax-gun-law states to places like New York? Doesn't it make sense?

I think the reason they try to make fun of this or downplay it in one way or another is because they see how bad it is for their cause. This touches on the exact point at which guns pass for the law-abiding to the criminals. In places like South Carolina that happens too easily.

If measures were taken to stop that, the legitimate gun owners would be slightly inconvenienced. This is what the can't accept.

What's your opinion? Has there ever been a more self-centered advocacy group than the gun-rights crowd?

What do you think? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000
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More Gun Smuggling - South Carolina to New York (Original Post) mikeb302000 Oct 2012 OP
so, criminals from New York travel to other states to break their laws trouble.smith Oct 2012 #1
What's wrong about that? mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #15
not according to the ATF gejohnston Oct 2012 #22
Probably these particular criminals had relatives in SC. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #29
you have evidence of this? gejohnston Oct 2012 #41
Let me get this straight ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #2
ha former-republican Oct 2012 #8
It's a sad statement. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #28
Why do so many New Yorkers want to buy guns illegally? aikoaiko Oct 2012 #3
Time for Stateline Check points. ileus Oct 2012 #4
Catch those criminals ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #5
I agree pipoman Oct 2012 #9
I think the rest of the country needs to mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #16
Which country? holdencaufield Oct 2012 #21
We're talking about the US. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #30
Temper temper ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #35
I'm sure you do..lol..more likely come into line with the safe places like Mexico, eh? pipoman Oct 2012 #24
Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools slackmaster Oct 2012 #6
" where the weapons sold for a 100 percent profit." pipoman Oct 2012 #7
How do you know? nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #17
Because I have at least an 8th grade comprehension of math.. pipoman Oct 2012 #25
The solution is to have stiffer penalties for ex-cons w/guns and for strawbuyers. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #10
Bullshit. You should use your head instead mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #18
Actually, he is right to a large degree gejohnston Oct 2012 #23
The solution is to keep criminals contained, not to criminalize gun owners. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #26
"Criminalize gun owners" is one of those bullshit catch phrases. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #31
Speaking of bullshite ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #32
Wasn't it you that said "half" of the gun owners out there? beevul Oct 2012 #33
kinda like "hidden criminal " ? ileus Oct 2012 #36
Your thoughts are all wrong comrade, report to the re-education center. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #38
comrade, that's not Italian ileus Oct 2012 #42
But who is qualified to qualify people for firearm ownership? Remmah2 Oct 2012 #37
A .32? Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #11
What laws does NY have, that other states don't, that would prevent this? PavePusher Oct 2012 #12
Doubtful that they bought them from pawn shops. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #13
That's right and easily stopped. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #19
Easily stopped, how, and by whom? beevul Oct 2012 #34
"An ex-con who’ll be old enough to collect Social Security" -..__... Oct 2012 #14
More self-centred? holdencaufield Oct 2012 #20
Well, I'm tired of hearing this slop.ntr tR Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #27
Isn't every advocacy group 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #40
It's all about easy access to guns 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #39
Not to mention the charnel house that is Vermont... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #43
I hear the UN is thinking about sending in a peacekeeping force to restore order there 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #44
As long as the supplies of Phish bootlegs and artisanal cheeses keep coming... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #45
Big deal. Francis Marion Oct 2012 #46
 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
1. so, criminals from New York travel to other states to break their laws
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:25 AM
Oct 2012

and then travel back to their own state hundreds of miles away and you blame the other states? Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
15. What's wrong about that?
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:28 AM
Oct 2012

Proper gun control is lacking in many states and they seed into the gun flow pipeline. It could be easily stopped with no damage to the sacred 2A rights of law-abiding citizens.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
22. not according to the ATF
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:57 AM
Oct 2012

and those "source states". Here is a question, why South Carolina? Vermont and New Hampshire have laxer gun laws and are closer. Either way, they did not buy them from pawn shops or FFLs for two reasons:
One was a convicted felon, likely the rest are too and would not have passed a background check. Of course, they most likely had New York IDs, so even if they had clean records, FFLs would not sell to them because that would violate the Gun Control Act. Of course, a private sale would also violate the Gun Control Act.

mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
29. Probably these particular criminals had relatives in SC.
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:19 AM
Oct 2012

Lots of straw purchasers among the cousins down south.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
41. you have evidence of this?
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

did you call the ATF? Why the south? The average Floridian is from New York, Ohio, and Michigan. They are more likely to have relatives here.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
2. Let me get this straight ...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:33 AM
Oct 2012

... a criminal broke a law?

Have you told anyone about this? It's ground-breaking

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
28. It's a sad statement.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:16 PM
Oct 2012

I do believe there are some people out there who buy firearms and they have no criminal intent. If they lived in another state they'd be perfectly legal. However due to draconian state laws they choose to be able to protect their family rather than let the crime technicians be responsible for the post-mortem reports. Hidden criminals my ass, they're people who've had their civil rights stolen from them. ie: NYC and Chicago.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
9. I agree
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:07 AM
Oct 2012

If the state of New York wishes to have laws against anything that in the rest of the country is legal, it is their responsibility to monitor traffic coming in. I am sick of these guys in DC, NY, and Chicago complaining that violation of their laws is the responsibility of the rest of the country. How about either they handle their own enforcement or they come into line with the rest of us.

mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
30. We're talking about the US.
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:20 AM
Oct 2012

Why don't you participate in the discussion instead of being a tedious pain in the ass trying to disrupt?

Wait, I know, it's because your argument is shit and this is all you got.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
7. " where the weapons sold for a 100 percent profit."
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:45 AM
Oct 2012

The only way this is possible is if they were stealing the guns, eh?

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
10. The solution is to have stiffer penalties for ex-cons w/guns and for strawbuyers.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:49 AM
Oct 2012

Unfortunately anti-gun people are not interested in crime control they're interested in people control comrade.

mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
18. Bullshit. You should use your head instead
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:31 AM
Oct 2012

of just mindlessly repeating tag lines you think are cool. They're not.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
23. Actually, he is right to a large degree
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:00 AM
Oct 2012

the over emphasis on "gun violence" instead of "violence" is one indicator. Another are rants about "guns should not be fashion accessories" but the issue of public safety never gets mentioned. Of course, there is the "defending yourself equals vigilantism".

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
26. The solution is to keep criminals contained, not to criminalize gun owners.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:23 AM
Oct 2012

Anti-gun people don't have the balls to confront criminals. Anti-gun people are more concerned with the rights of criminals than the victims. The anti-gun view of the world is narrow minded and narcissist. They pretend to be do-gooders but really the intent is cowardly and selfish.

Feel free to send the crybaby alert now, the action validates my assumptions and observations.

mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
31. "Criminalize gun owners" is one of those bullshit catch phrases.
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:24 AM
Oct 2012

If proper gun control laws were in effect and it required that people be qualified to own guns we'd all be better off. Some of you would not qualify. That's not the same as criminalizing gun owners.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
33. Wasn't it you that said "half" of the gun owners out there?
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:52 AM
Oct 2012

So hes at least half right, isn't he?


 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
37. But who is qualified to qualify people for firearm ownership?
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:24 AM
Oct 2012

The solutions have loop holes, oops another catch phrase.

I guess we could import micromanaging, fascist bureaucrats and form committees.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
12. What laws does NY have, that other states don't, that would prevent this?
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:25 PM
Oct 2012

Do firearms sourced from NY ever show up in crimes in other states?

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
13. Doubtful that they bought them from pawn shops.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:56 PM
Oct 2012

Pawn shops have to have an FFL and do NICS checks. Likely those were private sales from local newspapers. Private sales aren't allowed to use the NICS system.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
34. Easily stopped, how, and by whom?
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:54 AM
Oct 2012

I'm sure you think you'd get away with it too, if it wasn't for us meddling kids.

 

-..__...

(7,776 posts)
14. "An ex-con who’ll be old enough to collect Social Security"
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:34 PM
Oct 2012

An ex-con, illegally transporting firearms across state lines?

Hopefully, this will be handled at the Federal level (with much stricter sentencing).

File multiple charges, and he'll never see the outside of a prison wall for the rest of his natural life.

The others... 21 years old, they'll be eligible for SS by the time they're released.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
20. More self-centred?
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:39 AM
Oct 2012
"Has there ever been a more self-centered advocacy group than the gun-rights crowd? "

How about ... Solipsism for Me? A small, but vocal advocacy group.
 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
40. Isn't every advocacy group
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:50 AM
Oct 2012

by definition advocating for its own interests?

I don't expect pro-vegan advocacy groups to support both vegan and conventional farming.

But apparently pro-2nd amendment groups have to be anti-2nd amendment or else they're being selfish.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
39. It's all about easy access to guns
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:48 AM
Oct 2012

that's why Canada, with it's vast largely open border with many gun happy states is this continents Somalia.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
44. I hear the UN is thinking about sending in a peacekeeping force to restore order there
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 10:53 PM
Oct 2012

and possibly distribute supplies come spring.



But spring is a long ways away.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
45. As long as the supplies of Phish bootlegs and artisanal cheeses keep coming...
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:26 AM
Oct 2012

..the rest of the world will remain indifferent the human cost of Vermonts lax gun laws!

Francis Marion

(250 posts)
46. Big deal.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:41 AM
Oct 2012

Those people termed 'gunrunners' are just undocumented FFLs.

Besides, they're only trying to make a living for their families.

Seriously- this is a lesson we already learned a LONG time ago with Prohibition: Make 'it' illegal, and a black market will appear for 'it.' What's the news story here? The only people hurt are the law abiding majority who remain defenseless.

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