Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumAlabama Man Kills Himself with Stolen Police Gun
SF Gate reportsAn off-duty police officer who was also at the bar went to the bathroom and left his Glock handgun in a bathroom stall. By the time the officer realized his gun was missing, it was gone from the bathroom.
Police said Steven Michael Bradford, 25, of Bessemer, found that gun and quickly sold it to a friend, Matthew Lee Dodd, 26, also of Bessemer, for $225. Not long after, Dodd and the man who died stopped at a gas station. The gun was tucked between two front seats.
Authorities said Dodd entered the convenience store, heard a popping sound and came outside to find his friend dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.
Hoover police have charged Bradford with second-degree theft of lost property. Dodd has been charged with second-degree buying and receiving stolen property. Phone listings for the two men could not be found. It was unclear Saturday whether they had an attorney.
Did anyone notice what's missing? Everyone is charged with a crime except the bumbling cop who started the whole chain of events in motion.And he didn't report his gun stolen until AFTER the shooting. That should be another charge.
Gun owners, both civilian and law enforcement, are the source of all guns used in crime. They should be held responsible every time a gun flows over to the dark side.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Should be a felony if one does not report their gun stolen and it ends up being in a crime or as it wasa in this case . /full stop
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but a good citizen was kind enough to return it to the PD. What is police policy in Italy in such a case?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Either he's really racking up the frequent flier miles or he's got some serious 'splainin to do:
http://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309
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http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2012/02/baldr-odinson-outs-himself.html
(I hope I'm not the only one that finds that caption hilarious-talk about delusions of grandeur!)
The guy's got more house names than Edward Stratemeyer!
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)I am the same person as Baldr. Oh, I might as well admit it, I'm Japete too, and Dog Gone.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)To ever comment in a thread besides his OPs?
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)appears to list Mike's blog as his own.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309
Response to rrneck (Reply #12)
glacierbay This message was self-deleted by its author.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)He wants exposure, and there is no bad press. The more people chase him around, the more "ink" he gets. He appears to have aspirations of a lucrative career as a polemicist, but undereducated one trick ponies never achieve that.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Good investigative work.
Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #16)
Atypical Liberal This message was self-deleted by its author.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)I'm not going to post the results, but based on pictures turned up by Google, LinkedIn, and Facebook, it is publicly available information that Baldr Odinson is a pseudonym for Jason A. Kilgore.
However, the blogger profile for Baldr Odinson claims ownership for the Mikeb302000 blog:
http://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309
But so does the profile for :
http://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933
I don't know how two separate accounts can list the same blog as "mine".
So it is not clear yet that Mikeb302000 is another pseudonym for Jason A. Kilgore of Eugene, Oregon, instead of Rome, Italy. Nor do the ages seem to line up with either the age Mikeb has given nor his dates of military service which corroborates.
I'm not yet convinced that MikeB is Jason Kilgore.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Mike states his Address in the States is NJ (I think) this guy claims Oregon as his home turf.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)If Mikeb3002000 is the same person as Jason A. Kilgore aka Baldr Odinson, then you have some serious credibility issues, as your previously-claimed background wouldn't add up.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Not an unknown practice in literary and political circles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_name#Collective_names
A collective name, also known as a house name, is sometimes used with series fiction published under one pen name even though more than one author may have contributed to the series. In some cases the first books in the series were written by one writer, but subsequent books were written by ghost writers. For instance, many of the later books in The Saint adventure series were not written by Leslie Charteris, the originator of the series. Similarly, Nancy Drew mystery books are published as though they were written by Carolyn Keene, The Hardy Boys books are published as the work of Franklin W. Dixon, and The Bobbsey Twins series are credited to Laura Lee Hope, although several authors have been involved in each series....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army#.22P._O.27Neill.22
The IRA traditionally uses a well-known signature in its public statements, which are all issued under the pseudonym of "P. O'Neill" of the "Irish Republican Publicity Bureau, Dublin".[162] According to Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, it was Seán Mac Stiofáin, as chief of staff of the IRA, who invented the name. However, under his usage, the name was written and pronounced according to Irish orthography and pronunciation as "P. Ó Néill". According to Danny Morrison, the pseudonym "S. O'Neill" was used during the 1940s.[162]
I can hardly condemn the use of pseudonyms with a straight face (my driver's license obviously was not issued to "Friendly Iconoclast" , it's the deliberate deception about ones' location and
life story combined with the self-important moralizing I object to.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)list the right thing in the wrong place. It's been a while since I fooled with WordPress, and I never fooled with Blogger, but I think all it takes is choosing a field and filling in the info.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)I don't have much tolerance for self promotion at the expense of others, especially the excessive, skeezy variety exhibited here. Mike needs a tan.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)I am merely asking for clarification.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)I'm afraid the invitation didn't specify whether we should bring bones or feathers to shake at the evil gun totem.
Not to worry, I'm sure your random bullshit generator will serve us in good stead against the evil of common sense and genuine concern for others.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... disarm the police.
(need I indicate sarcasm?)
petronius
(26,602 posts)revocation of CCW, and his employer may have some second thoughts, but I don't agree (in general) with criminalizing stupidity, mistakes, errors, or unintentional negligence - particularly when the tragic outcome required deliberate actions by three subsequent actors...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)In the courthouse. Apparently the LEO left more behind in the bargain.
petronius
(26,602 posts)I'm willing to bet that guns left behind in bathroom stalls, by LEOs or otherwise, are fairly rare occurrences, and in the vast majority of cases the firearm is returned to (or recovered by) its red-faced and about-to-face-the-music owner without harm.
It's not something that warrants criminal charges, or new gun control laws or restrictions, IMO...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)It shouldn't result in criminal charges or further restrictions (there is a metal detector, et al at our courthouse), but some kind of internal discipline may be in order.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)All you're really saying is when it comes to guns you want to give a guy a break. But, the problem is, guns are deadly weapons and when someone, "stupidity, mistakes, errors, or unintentional negligence" with them the consequences can be dire, like in this story.
The answer is obvious and simple.
petronius
(26,602 posts)It's not just about guns, here are some other examples with equally dire potential consequences where the chain between the (in)actor and the outcome is even shorter than the OP:
I don't think people who accidentally leave kids (or pets) in cars should face criminal charges, or lose custody of kid or pet.
I don't think people who fall asleep with candles burning or pots on the stove should face charges, or lose the right to possess fire.
As far as the officer in the OP, civil liability and an administrative (work-related) response seem reasonable, but not criminal charges IMO. The crime(s) were committed by the first at least and maybe the second person in the chain...
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)are cops.
Gun owners, both civilian and law enforcement, are the source of all guns used in crime. They should be held responsible every time a gun flows over to the dark side.
Car owners are the source of all drunk driving incidents. They should all be held collectively accountable when one drinks and drives.
kooljerk666
(776 posts)it is funny u can have all the guns u want in a bar, while drunk & if I had a load on & was driving safely I get in trouble.
What is worse a drunk in a car or a drunk in a bar w/ a gun.
Beside who the hell would hang out in a bar with cop customers, I'd rather hang with the Pagans, Warlocks or Hells Angels. The are more socially responsible.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I would say a drunk in a car because they can cause more damage before being stopped.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)BTW, being drunk in a bar with a gun is illegal, cop or not and I have arrested drunk cops before, cop or civilian, makes no difference to me, one's just as bad as the other.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)It's still early
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)It'll be hard to top that one though.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... you get significantly more than the doctor's recommended daily allowance of stupid.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Some of the stories I've heard just pushes the limit of stupidity, however, I'm on vacation for another 2 weeks so I'm not getting my daily dose of stupid.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Joke, of course.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)kooljerk666
(776 posts)Drunk drivers is prob #1
Cops killing naked people, people in wheelchairs, etc every few days I see cops murder people & others lie for them.
OUtlaw bikers, I almost never see in the news except for drug busts.
So I was only 1/2 as stupid as u think. My IQ was 131 as a teen and 125 as an adult so I ain't nearly as dumb as I come off.
I have been framed before & witnessed police committing perjury, I know how you guys work & even if you have been here 10x longer than me, if u r a cop, I do not believe anything you say.
Oh yea, who kills more americans, our own cops or all the terrorists in the world.
1 more, I worked with a guys whose bro was a cop. They were out on m/c's and stopped to get stoned. My friend asked where he got it & response was I took it of someone & let em go. When asked if he could have it cops sez no, i need it in case I had to throw it in someones car.
ANother friend witnessed a cop throwing a pistol in a car that was pulled over, my friend tried to help but was rgreatened with death
I've had plenty of experience with cops, and I love unions but not theirs, it should be broken & cop liability costs should come out of the entire depts. pension.
This would go a long way into helping cops that are not scum, get rid of those who are.
ANd another thing, I saw Occupy brutality, and that made hatred & distrust grow.
Even on my Jap Bike, i would br safer hangin with Hells Angel than FOP.
If i feel less lazy I will start a thread "Killer Kops of the week" thanks for the idea.
I will start collecting data asap.......wow that took 30 seconds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States#Lists_of_Killings
http://policemurdersusa.blogspot.com/
http://wesmantoddshaw.hubpages.com/hub/Murdered-by-Police-In-the-United-States-of-America
Explain how these guys are better than Al Kaida or the Taliban, that ought to be a whopper.
BTW, I do not drink, ever.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)I'm the cop and let me say, I don't much give a fuck if you believe anything I say or not, means little to me.
I've been a cop for going on 30 years now, I've worked in several different divisions, gang unit, homicide, vice, narcotics, I'm now a supervisor. I have never been investigated for any corruption, or wrong doing, I've always been a fair and honest police officer and that's how I intend to end my career.
The vast majority of cops in the country are honest, hard working men and women who just want to make their community a little safer place for the citizens to live. Slam cops all you want, I'm used to it, I've got a thick skin, but when you need the police, we'll be there despite what you think of us.
You have a good day.
kooljerk666
(776 posts)From a source u may trust.........
Connie McGinniss, 27, of Quakertown, "was subjected to attitudes of hatred, dislike, mistrust, and mistreatment of women based on her status as the only female officer in the department," according to her suit, filed Friday in U.S. District Court.
"She was subjected to stalking, peeping, and explicit sexual language and pornographic displays belittling women" and her specifically, according to the 30-page suit.
After five years on the force, she was fired in July 2010 in retaliation for her complaints to her supervisors, according to the suit.
There is an entire force of criminals, did you say most cops were ok?
http://www.policeone.com/women-officers/articles/5990365-Former-Pa-officer-sues-PD-for-sexual-harassment/
I find it hard to believe any cop is a liberal.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Also we have this whole 'innocent until proven guilty in a court of law' thing in this country- it's actually kind of important and you seem to have misssed it.
I don't think it's the cop that's the illiberal one in this exchange....
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)And yes, most cops in this country, Federal, State, Local, are honest hard working men and women, the problem is you only hear about the bad ones, the old saying, if it bleeds, it leads.
And have the cops in question been convicted of any crime? If not, how does that make them criminals?
So far, all I see are allegations, no convictions of anything, and this is all in a civil suit, not a criminal case, yet your hatred of cops convinces you that they are all guilty before the civil trial has even been judged.
I'll wait for the judgement to come in before I pronounce them responsible. That's what progressives do, it's all about that innocent until proven guilty thing and all.
kooljerk666
(776 posts)And if degrees of law matter why do cops engage in high speed chases for traffic violations?
Was every cop I saw beating Occupiers the only bad ones? Was it an invitation only event for the police criminal element?
I must admit cops did help me one time, so much so I owe the two guys who made a decision for me I was unable to make, during a health emergency, I would probably be dead if they were not there.
I must also admit i did have 2 broad of a generalization. If i was talking about blacks or jews or arabs it would be a pretty nasty statement.
IF only the unions would work at cleaning up the police criminal element & knock off brutality it would go a long way to help restore respect & trust, from me & entire classes of people.
At any rate I will admit my bigoted accusation was over the top, If ya want it deleted I will, or I will leave it to show people some cops are civilized even when being confronted by a broad sweeping generalization from a bigot like me.
I have been screwed & beaten & been framed & witnessed perjury BUT that is not every cop in the world.
I still do not love you guys but I will apologize, and if I ever see a cop in danger, I will help or get help, he may be a good person.
That is a pretty big shift for me. You do actually come off like a pretty nice guy, enjoy your vacation & have a nice day.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)that's an indisputable fact, and the bad ones make the good ones look bad, that too is fact. I have appox. 30 officers under my command and I won't tolerate any misconduct or illegal activity out of them, I demand professionalism from them at all times, on and off the job.
I even got a rookie terminated and convicted of a crime despite the huge pressure from my superiors to alter my report, I testified honestly because I think I'm a man of integrity and I also know how the public perceive us and I didn't want to add to that.
Needless to say, I wasn't trusted for a long time, but I could live with that because I knew that I had done the right thing and that I had maintained my integrity. Turns out later that I was correct about the former officer, he was later arrested and convicted for assault and battery in another state and was sent to jail.
I am definitely enjoying my vacation, we have tickets for the Cardinals/Giants playoff series at Busch Stadium and my Cards. grabbed the home field advantage last night by beating the Giants at Pac Bell Stadium in SF.
bluerum
(6,109 posts)And I am giving him the benefit of any doubt of colusion.
kooljerk666
(776 posts)and here are hundreds more.
http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=drunk+man+soots+penis&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest#hl=en&client=opera&hs=zwB&rls=en&channel=suggest&sclient=psy-ab&q=drunk+man+shoots+penis&oq=drunk+man+shoots+penis&gs_l=serp.12...15718.15718.0.19023.1.1.0.0.0.0.124.124.0j1.1.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.ycsJg6hW6LE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=989e3e878a6116e3&bpcl=35277026&biw=1440&bih=679
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)nykym
(3,063 posts)Bradford with second-degree theft of lost property. Dodd has been charged with second-degree buying and receiving stolen property. Phone listings for the two men could not be found. It was unclear Saturday whether they had an attorney.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ala-man-kills-himself-with-stolen-police-gun-3946254.php#ixzz29OWA1dF4
OK whats wrong here? Why would they charge Dodd with anything? Hes DEAD! What are they going to issue an arrest warrant for him when he doesn't show up in court? Charge him with contempt when he doesn't enter a plea? Seriously!
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... so we have him on littering.
petronius
(26,602 posts)Kind of a confusing chain - and as far as I can tell it all happened within hours (or less) of the gun being lost...
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)He looks way to young for that to be true.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)You appear to be manipulative and insincere, with an ulterior motive.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)The blog profile shows that Baldr Odinson lists the Mikeb302000 blog as "mine":
http://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309
But this profile also shows it as being yours:
http://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933
I don't know how two accounts can list the same blog as "theirs".
So I figured I'd just ask. Are you Baldr Odinson?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...which would make Mikeb30200 the Carolyn Keene of gun control advocacy. I look forward to such tomes as:
The Mystery of The Antigun Blogger
The Clue of The Oversharing Internet Poster
The Overconfident Reliance on Security Through Obscurity...
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Which airline has the best B-class seats and how many miles do you need for an upgrade?
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)(Meaning "close to" 50%?)
Given the number of obese cops--and as you say, obesity disqualifies one to use a gun responsibly--the number might be even higher.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)because if you get in a jam you can just call someone with a gun to come to your rescue and 50% of the time they'll be completely incompetent . . . .
Sure.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Post your proof that nearly 50% of cops shouldn't be carrying firearms. And I don't mean your "feelings" or your "logic", I mean cold hard facts, which you very rarely do.
I want to see a link to a study that proves that 50% of cops shouldn't carry guns.