Gun Control & RKBA
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Proposed: Discuss the right to keep and bear arms relating to laws, the Second Amendment and the use of firearms for self-defense, committing crimes and violence.
ETA: As I read the current SOP, laws which are not gun control measures nor the actual second amendment can only be discussed in relation to a crime or an instance of self-defense or other violence. This would IMHO exclude the discussion of laws such as SYG as it is not a "gun control law".
Sorry for any confusion.
4 votes, 4 passes | Time left: Unlimited | |
In favor of this change | |
3 (75%) |
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Against this and favor the current SOP | |
1 (25%) |
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Against this and favor an SOP which I'll post below | |
0 (0%) |
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4 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided. | |
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Trunk Monkey
(950 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)I only recall that an expansion to topics beyond laws, crime and rights being denied.
Trunk Monkey
(950 posts)I'm interested to see what happens
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)The proposed SOP and the current SOP are so close together, I don't see what difference it would really make.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...that laws relating to the RKBA whether gun control laws or laws like SYG were within the SOP. Many folks read things rather literally.
It was clear to me when I wrote the proposed SOP but now I see that it was not clear to others when they compared the OP to the SOP.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)Now that you explained the reasoning, I've withdrawn my "no" vote. I don't think it's necessary, considering gun rights legislation is regularly covered here without issue, but it'd be a good thing to change if/when the SOP is committed to more substantial revision. Thanks for the clarification!
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Best regards
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Are we not doing that now?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)As I read the current SOP, laws which are not gun control measures nor the actual second amendment can only be discussed in relation to a crime or an instance of self-defense or other violence. This would IMHO exclude the discussion of laws such as SYG as it is not a "gun control law". (All in the wording)
Probably best to forget it. I may be over thinking the whole thing.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)SYG is a self-defense law - did you miss the part of the SOP that says clearly you can discuss "the use of firearms for self-defense."
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)as they have interpreting the 2nd amendment.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...are at least consistent in your view of both the 2A and the group SOP in reading into both what isn't there.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...but there is no explicit inclusion of the discussion of laws regarding the use of firearms for self-defense.
I would think that there should also be a provision for the discussion of laws which would protect the RKBA. There is nothing in the current SOP addressing that area either.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Do you think it's just talking about Ronald Reagan's Dirty Harry wet dreams?
Show me there has been a problem that requires a solution!
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...which of the boldface words below is the word law.
My reading of the SOP covers -
The discussion of:
- gun control laws
- the 2A
- the use of firearms for self-defense
- the use of firearms to commit crime
- the use of firearms to commit violence
None of those five refers to a discussion of the laws underlying the use of firearms for self-defense.
You ad hominem comments are ill-considered.
BTW, where you been? IMHO, you're been scarce.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Laws governing the use of firearms for self-defense is discussion of the use of firearms for self-defense!!!
"BTW, where you been? IMHO, you're been scarce."
Not barking up a tree/also working and family.
"You ad hominem comments are ill-considered."
If I can't piss on Ronald Reagan's grave, whose grave can I piss on?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...the "Laws governing the use of firearms for self-defense" is not there. It would be grammatically incorrect to form a conjunction of fourth word "laws" and the third clause "the use of firearms for self-defense" and then insert the word "governing" and claim that the current SOP explicitly says this.
>insert face palm here<
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)EAT YOUR BROCCOLI ! ! !
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...HW and I agree is that of broccoli.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Want the whole list? Jerry Falwell's comes to mind. Isn't Nixon's closer to you?