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Those men had the best of intentions. They were, we may be sure, only there for stuff.

In civilized society, we must assume that two men, armed with a rifle and invading a home, are model citizens. No one knows what would have happened had the homeowner not recklessly escalated the situation and resorted to violence. To assume ill intent on the part of armed home invaders is barbaric.

The gentlemen (we mustn't use derogatory terms like "goblin"--that's just dehumanizing) had probably just been hunting or target shooting and got confused trying to make it to a friend's house.

The homeowner, on the other hand, sounds like a lunatic. He lived in a "residential neighborhood" where "violent crime is rare"--so what was he doing with a gun?!!! It stinks of paranoia and right wing douchbaggery.

And if that's not suspicious enough, he "works at a laboratory" and "is pursuing a doctoral degree in biomedical engineering." He's one of those people who advertises falsely--the neighbors were surprised that he had a gun or that he was capable of handling one. That's entrapment--looking all geeky and intellectual, then dropping the hammer on those fine gentlemen!

To paranoia and entrapment, we must add cowardice and probably inadequacy--if you know what I mean. What was he compensating for with that shotgun? And why was he afraid to take on two armed men in hand to rifle combat? I've seen an 89 lb anorexic teenaged girl make two Navy Seals cry using just pressure points and some martial arts techniques she learned on the internet. And the Seals had full battle gear, including submachineguns. Whats wrong with this wimp?

Lastly, this guy was obviously bloodthirsty. Instead of a friendly greeting, or even a polite request that his guests leave, he jumps right to lethal force. He kills one gentlemen and forces the other one to resort to REAL, LEGITIMATE self-defense. The thing to do would have been to lay down his shotgun (or not have picked it up in the first place), ask the men to leave, ask for mercy, pray for the best, and if it came to it, beg for a quick and merciful death. That's how they do it in Canada and England--civilized.

I'm starting a legal fund to help the surviving home invader sue this bastard. Won't you make a donation? Dial 1 900 U R AN ASS to donate.

If we raise enough money, maybe the Brady Campaign, MMM, MAIG and VPC will join the cause. Someone has to stand up for civilization. Do it for the children!

Killed in his 20s. He had at least 50 more years to contribute to society. He was just getting started at his profession. Think of all the good will and progress he could given to society.

I think you rolled up nearly all of the mantras in one post!

All you're missing is "for the children."

I know several of them are "staying" on the old guns forum site, since most of us left it they are congratulating themselves. It's pretty funny not to mention telling as the only way they can win the discussion is to have no opposition.

Plus a few have had juries can their stuff over here and resent allowing mere fellow DU members to hide their long, boring, and generally irrelevant posts.

Maybe they are just too busy congratulating themselves to even bother coming here and correcting all the misperceptions of these fine young men, cut down in their prime, just as they were turning their lives around.

(Very well done TPaine7)

rude baser toter gunner....probably had a red dot and people targets and killer clips loaded with special loads.

12 ga 2 bad guys 0. Game over.

That was a good cup of coffee before it hit the keyboard....

Well played.

...those death spewers jes 'bout fire 'emselves; aim 'emselves, too. Damn t'ings have a mine o' their own, sometimes.

They take a mild mannered upstanding citizen and turn them into a rootin' tootin' rude toter. I've heard they are especially dangerous when outfitted with red dot shootin' around corner scope thingies.

Can't talk now. The Mrs. says she's a week over due for this month's bath and needs the my truck trans out the tub. Since I lent my engine jack out to bubba to move his still, the only way that's gonna happen is if I tilt the trailer at least 30 degrees and push that sucker out wit' the floor jack.

TTYL

Boxed it up in the basement toted it to the car and off to the UPS store. A 727 auto from a jeep wagoneer...

I bought a new Ruger with the paypal "donation"

before you post stuff like that. Beer can wreck a keyboard.

...I picked up this unit a few weeks ago on sale for $48.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109063

I'm not sure how it holds up to beer but...

WARNING

...granny said she dun beat a gator wit one til he's lookin' kind silly 'n slack in the eyes, then plugged it back in 'n wrote a appeal for lower bail for daddy. I personally used one fer diggin a post hole when some o' them no 'count hippies showed up on grampa's gator ranch and persimmon grove. After I got the fence back ta'getha I told them folks they better git off my grampa's land 'for I call the law. It still worked after that but jes' a few keys felt a mite stiff.

is a hoss of ah keyboard. A man could scotch ah tahr with it did he wawnt to.

Did he first STRAP it to himself before he confronted the shopper--er, burglars?

I've been told that's what rude toters do. They're always strapping firearms here and there.

He didn't strap one, he strapped TWO.

That way you can keep firing the one whilst you reload t'other.

Or so some might think.

to bring an AR 15 into a house protected by a shotgunner.

...of the idea that an assault rifle is somehow useful for defense of the home. If you can't rob someone in their home with one easily you probably can't defend your home to well with it either.

It probably wasn't even a true assault rifle, but instead a semi-auto.


Remember you fight with your pistol to get to the rifle/shotgun.


I have a keltec sub2000 as my HD firearm if for some reason my HD pistols won't do the trick. I sure don't have time to fetch one of the AR's out of the safe.

I keep the sub under the bed in a locked endo box so it would still be several seconds before I could put it into action.

Right now I'm looking for a new HD pistol in the 45 or 40 flavor. Such a tough decision...Maybe a revolver since I only have one revolver in my inventory (and I've never shot it since getting it in 1986)

Refuse to be a victim.

An AR carbine with non-FMJ ammunition would be a good home defense weapon.

Other parts? Not so much.

I'll stick with Texas.

But here in California we can and do have collapsible stocks.

The laws are complicated but you can have the "evil" (pistol grip, collapsible stock) features as long as you can't remove the magazine without a tool.

still, I'll keep my AR locked up and rely on my 45 to pull me through a home defense situation.

Just like the quintessential HD shotgun, actually.

What you should be getting out of the story is that the particular individual wielding the rifle (not an "assault rifle", as it isn't select-fire or full auto) is not very good with his weapon. His ability to successfully fight with a rifle has nothing to do with the abilities of millions of Americans, both privately and professionally, to use a rifle effectively in a fight.

Not good offensively, not good defensively... Then why are you so insistent on reinstating the AWB?

At least, if I follow your *cough* logic.

For here on out I thin I will listen to people who actiually know something about guns.