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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:36 PM Nov 2012

A vote for crime control

Last edited Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:03 PM - Edit history (1)

"Firearms have been around for over 400 years, yet it is only in the last 20 years that people have begun shouting "gun control". Why then, only recently, has this become such an issue? Moreover, why are there more mass-murderers than at any other time in our known history? It is not because weapons are more powerful -- 200-year-old muzzle-loaders have a much greater force-per-round than today's "assault rifles". It is not because weapons are semi- or fully-automatic -- rapid-fire weapons have been available for most of the last century. It is not due to a lack of laws -- we have more "gun control" laws than ever. It IS, however, because we have chosen to focus on "gun control" instead of crime control or "thug control." It IS because only recently has the public become complacent enough to accept, by inaction, the violence present in our society." - Kevin Langston, Tuesday, 29 October, 1991

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A vote for crime control (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 OP
"Thug control" -- a typically racist notion. ThatPoetGuy Nov 2012 #1
re: "Thug control" -- a typically racist notion. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #2
I prefer "Goblin". They are green, evil, small minded, and smell bad. oneshooter Nov 2012 #3
Nope thems watcha call republicans n/t Berserker Nov 2012 #36
Funny, after his stroke, my FIL used to watch Judge Mathus gejohnston Nov 2012 #4
Wow. PavePusher Nov 2012 #5
So if use of the word "thug"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #6
Yep. Complicated. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #8
This may chance to segue into... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #14
Obviously, you'd be a gang of bigoted fuckwads. PavePusher Nov 2012 #9
Guilty as charged. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #15
I hearby sentance you to drown your sins in a pint... PavePusher Nov 2012 #27
cheers discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #31
Conversley... -..__... Nov 2012 #34
I think there is some... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #35
How the fuck is the term thug control, racist? glacierbay Nov 2012 #7
Why don't you post the results of your alert? glacierbay Nov 2012 #22
In actual fact ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #28
"Thug" a shortened version of "Thuggee" from India oneshooter Nov 2012 #29
Precisely -- so, techncially --- holdencaufield Nov 2012 #30
I am not pro-thug, poet. Are you? Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #32
Not expecting an answer are you? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #33
I'd like to have Dr. Dan glacierbay Nov 2012 #10
Oh please... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #16
His answer would probably go something like this, glacierbay Nov 2012 #18
OH! discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #21
I can assure you that glacierbay Nov 2012 #23
You are in the overwhelming majority. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #25
Racist this, racist that.... I'm starting to wonder..... PavePusher Nov 2012 #11
I thought about that glacierbay Nov 2012 #13
shrug discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #19
Excellent! However, they still don't approve your message of not blaming the gun. ileus Nov 2012 #12
they can now... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #17
I know you changed it as a slap at the whiner, glacierbay Nov 2012 #20
In reality.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #24
Understood glacierbay Nov 2012 #26
You Gun Owners Talk Among Yourself! fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #37

ThatPoetGuy

(1,747 posts)
1. "Thug control" -- a typically racist notion.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:52 PM
Nov 2012

Even if we don't go back to the 14th-century origin of the word thug, with its specificity toward Indian ethnic backgrounds, we can look right around today to the usage. Black communities have leveraged the word to remove its power from the racists who have wielded it against them for decades.

As Tupac defined it, a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them.

Also:

the white conservative movement in the U.S.A. has adopted it as a substantive replacement for the vulgar and toxic term "nigger" which is no longer safe for use in most media channels.

Also:

A term used by racist white people that means "black Americans who obviously did something wrong even if I know nothing about them and commit crimes and destroy American sports".

Also:

George Zimmerman shot and killed thug Trayvon Martin.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thug

The argument that "we have more gun control laws than ever" is a deceptive one, since the laws have been consistently undercut by well-financed propaganda outfits, who often use racist diatribes like this one, which can be accurately paraphrased: "Guns don't kill people; n----rs kill people."

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
2. re: "Thug control" -- a typically racist notion.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:08 PM
Nov 2012

So that's how you perceive the word? If so you may be right. You may be a racist.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
4. Funny, after his stroke, my FIL used to watch Judge Mathus
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:24 PM
Nov 2012

and Judge Mathus used the term thug referring to street criminals.

thug
[thuhg] Show IPA
noun
1.
a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
2.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thug

a brutal ruffian or assassin : gangster, tough

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug

The word is actually older than that, it is a loan word derived from the Hindi and Urdu word for thief.

BTW, when the British used it, it had a specific meaning
http://www.oed.com/search?searchType=dictionary&q=thug&_searchBtn=Search

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
5. Wow.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:34 PM
Nov 2012
As Tupac defined it, a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them.

Sorry, but Tupac doesn't get to over-ride Webster's Unabridged, Second Edition without some more scholastic weight behind him.


the white conservative movement in the U.S.A. has adopted it as a substantive replacement for the vulgar and toxic term "nigger" which is no longer safe for use in most media channels.

and
A term used by racist white people that means "black Americans who obviously did something wrong even if I know nothing about them and commit crimes and destroy American sports".

Really? Cite to source, please?


George Zimmerman shot and killed thug Trayvon Martin.

Remains to be determined by a court. I'd say the public evidence is somewhat ambiguous, but Zimmerman has certainly gone out of his way to put himself in a very bad light.


The argument that "we have more gun control laws than ever" is a deceptive one, since the laws have been consistently undercut by well-financed propaganda outfits, who often use racist diatribes like this one, which can be accurately paraphrased: "Guns don't kill people; n----rs kill people."

We eagerly await your cites to evidence.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
6. So if use of the word "thug"...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:41 PM
Nov 2012

...characterizes the user as a racist, what does that say about those of us calling Republicans "rethugs"?

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
14. This may chance to segue into...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:53 PM
Nov 2012

..."The government hates rap." "Tupac got shot on the strip." "If you wanna get away with murder, all you gotta do is shoot someone and then put a demo tape their pocket." (Chris Rock)

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
9. Obviously, you'd be a gang of bigoted fuckwads.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:46 PM
Nov 2012

But this is simply all about misplaced projection, and can thus be safely relegated to the realm of fevered imagination.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
27. I hearby sentance you to drown your sins in a pint...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:09 PM
Nov 2012

of beer. Go forth and do try to sin a bit less, there's a good lad...

 

-..__...

(7,776 posts)
34. Conversley...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:25 PM
Nov 2012

in certain quarters, I'd be called a "union thug", and I'm as white as Andy Williams.

I've seen the term "thugs in Congress" used numerous times here on DU.

Last time I checked... the US Congress is overwhelmingly white.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
35. I think there is some...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:24 PM
Nov 2012

..."assault reasoning" going on here. Maybe...

If:
- you are pro-gun rights
- speak more than 10 words and
- one of them is thug (or certain other listed words)
then, you are a pro-gun racist.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
7. How the fuck is the term thug control, racist?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:43 PM
Nov 2012

The term, thug, covers all forms of criminas, white, black, asians, whatever. I notice that you have a habit of calling a term you don't like racist.
I'm white and I use the terms thugs, perps, dirtbags, criminals, so what? I'm not refering to the race of the person, I'm refering to the fact that they are law breakers. I have AA cops in my Division that use the same terms, explain that.

Your whole post smells like a pile of



 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
22. Why don't you post the results of your alert?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:10 PM
Nov 2012

I mean, after all, you say it's racist which is against the rules on DU, so I assume that you hit the alert button.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
28. In actual fact ...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:15 PM
Nov 2012

Thug is a Hindi word and refers to a cult of murderers that existed since the 14 Century in India

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
16. Oh please...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:00 PM
Nov 2012

...too easy!

But first, let me ask you remember seeing Vanna White on Johnny Carson way back when. Johnny had asked about her job and her qualifications. Vanna said "I'm a letter turner." Her qualifications: "I know all the letters."

But I believe to disarm the population only requires that you take away all the guns.

Right??

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
18. His answer would probably go something like this,
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:05 PM
Nov 2012

That's not my job, that's the job of the police and military.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
21. OH!
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:08 PM
Nov 2012

The magic P and M squad deriving its unlimited power from the total improbability drive.

I'd have to huff glue for month to think up ideas like that.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
23. I can assure you that
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:13 PM
Nov 2012

I would have no part of disarming the population, I value my life too much, and most cops would feel the same way.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
12. Excellent! However, they still don't approve your message of not blaming the gun.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:50 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:36 PM - Edit history (1)

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
20. I know you changed it as a slap at the whiner,
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:08 PM
Nov 2012

but my opinion is that you should have left it as is, fuck em.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
24. In reality....
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:15 PM
Nov 2012

...I got up at 5 AM EST and flew to LA. I've been at work for 7 hours having changed the same spec back and forth four times for reasons that I'm no longer paying attention to. I've been awake for 15 hours on 4 hours sleep. I just think it's funny. I think they should sit on a block of ice while having the hiccups and inhale their own face. I'm a bit slaphappy that's all.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
26. Understood
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:17 PM
Nov 2012

I thought it was funny also, a slap at that poster. I expect a thread in Meta complaining how the gungeon is full of RW racists.

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