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mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:45 AM Nov 2012

Lawful Gun Owner Plans Aurora-Type Attack - Arrested

The Ottawa Citizen reports

A 20-year-old man is in jail in southwest Missouri on Friday on charges he planned a mass shooting at a theatre during the showing Sunday of the new movie Twilight.

Blaec Lammers told police in Bolivar, Mo., that he bought two assault rifles and 400 rounds of ammunition with the intent of carrying out a shooting that would be similar to one that killed 12 people and wounded 58 during a Batman movie premier in Aurora, Colorado, last July.

Police announced Lammers’ arrest on Friday. He was arrested Thursday and charged in state court with making a terrorist threat, armed criminal action and first degree assault, records show. He is being held on $500,000 bond.

Lammers’ mother alerted police on Thursday that her son and bought weapons similar to those suspect James Holmes allegedly used in the Aurora shooting, Bolivar police detective Dustin Ross said in a sworn statement to the court.



The biased spin doctors over at TTAG are all excited about the fantasy that young Mr. Lammars was heading to the theater BECAUSE it was a gun free zone and he'd be able to kill people like sitting ducks.

Nothing could be further from the truth. He himself admitted the reason, it was to imitate the Aurora Colorado shooter, [link:http://mikeb302000.blogspot.it/2012/07/the-amazing-james-holmes-lawful-gun.html|James Holmes.
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The real story here is that someone as sick as this guy was able to legally buy guns. He was a lawful gun owner, as was Holmes, who was so unfit to own them safely that the most basic examination into his mental health might have been able to raise red flags.

Licensing of gun owners, which would include an exhaustive mental health background check combined with a "may issue" policy, is the only way to weed out these dangerous characters. We can't depend on their mothers dropping a dime.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000
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Lawful Gun Owner Plans Aurora-Type Attack - Arrested (Original Post) mikeb302000 Nov 2012 OP
Throw out all current gun regulations & BAN ALL LEGAL GUNS. Then banning illegal ones will be easy. graham4anything Nov 2012 #1
Extremist prohibitionism does not work. But it aids the... Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #3
Just more of your RW authoritarian nonsense glacierbay Nov 2012 #7
I've explained this to you before. mikeb302000 Nov 2012 #64
Wasn't talking to you Mikey glacierbay Nov 2012 #66
you forgot five and six gejohnston Nov 2012 #67
And of course you would allow GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES to legally carry guns outside slackmaster Nov 2012 #10
We're going to need a demonstration discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #11
How would this have stopped any mass shooter? hack89 Nov 2012 #13
the gun won't get in the perimeter with already there proper security graham4anything Nov 2012 #17
Really? That's your plan? Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #19
I get frisked for 30 years at Madison Square garden. Don't like it? Don't go. I feel safe on airline graham4anything Nov 2012 #20
I don't go to Madison Square Garden, so that's not an issue Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #24
I don't use cash. Therefore they already know what toilet paper I use graham4anything Nov 2012 #25
Maybe the store knows, but probably not the FBI. Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #26
but they are not looking at you either, unless you give them cause to. Do you think they care? graham4anything Nov 2012 #27
The kind of surveillance you want glacierbay Nov 2012 #28
Just because a bad Bush does it, doesn't mean others will. Stop being afraidy cat graham4anything Nov 2012 #29
Cops are not there to make you safe glacierbay Nov 2012 #31
guns kill. people with legal guns kill. Without a gun, people won't kill in mass numbers. graham4anything Nov 2012 #33
People with a gun won't kill in mass numbers? glacierbay Nov 2012 #36
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #49
you are still posting NRA/ authority(aka police) talking points I see. graham4anything Nov 2012 #52
Here's what you said glacierbay Nov 2012 #57
None of those citations is from the NRA. PavePusher Nov 2012 #60
Dude, you got owned - with a capital P derby378 Nov 2012 #61
One word. Straw Man Nov 2012 #51
St. Michael of Bloomberg's NYPD already has- and got caught: friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #39
What you're advocating is that they SHOULD Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #37
You do realize they already are. They don't care graham4anything Nov 2012 #40
How, pray tell glacierbay Nov 2012 #43
How very "Brazil"-ian of you: friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #68
What security will stop people carrying in public? hack89 Nov 2012 #30
Hell glacierbay Nov 2012 #32
any run of the mill metal detector to start with graham4anything Nov 2012 #34
Detectors and guards at every entrance to every public space? hack89 Nov 2012 #35
Actually, it would make more sense if the detectors were placed at the door petronius Nov 2012 #47
Oh hell glacierbay Nov 2012 #48
You're funny. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #14
Really. Straw Man Nov 2012 #50
Sounds great except for one small problem: Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #54
After we ban the jumbo shrimp krispos42 Nov 2012 #62
How does it feel to be on such a losing side? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #72
No no no you're both not doing enough clffrdjk Nov 2012 #2
Welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #8
Another example of why I exercise my 2A rights. ileus Nov 2012 #4
Mental background check: Try due process. I knew you could.nt Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #5
I think mike's keyboard is broken discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #12
He just blew the copy paste this time. rrneck Nov 2012 #15
Oh!!! discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #16
indeed, it did - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #21
We can always smell it from any where discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #38
Probably thinks we're all in the open, now. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #53
That's funny! discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #59
My opinion... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #6
Fascism used to be popular in Italy. ileus Nov 2012 #18
The natural evolution... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #22
Mike, in the first sentence of your commentary did you accidentally the subject noun? slackmaster Nov 2012 #9
I don't understand the question. nt mikeb302000 Nov 2012 #65
Well then you accidentally the whole thing slackmaster Nov 2012 #69
Hey Mikey, May I make a suggestion? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #23
Has anyone else noticed how Hoyt is rec-ing all the gun control threads? darkangel218 Nov 2012 #41
I miss 'em, too. Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #42
Fun? Not so much tortoise1956 Nov 2012 #44
Only if your idea of fun is a guy screaming insults in your face... DonP Nov 2012 #45
Lmao@ Don darkangel218 Nov 2012 #46
How can you tell who recs something? Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #55
Just click on the little box right above the rec box and it will tell you glacierbay Nov 2012 #58
I'm not willing to make that tradeoff. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #56
You are, again, violating DU's (stated) copyright policy Union Scribe Nov 2012 #63
hey you forgot to pimp your blog. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #70
When someone begins Jenoch Nov 2012 #71
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
1. Throw out all current gun regulations & BAN ALL LEGAL GUNS. Then banning illegal ones will be easy.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:56 AM
Nov 2012

It is quite simple. Start the whole gun regulations concept over

ANY GUN OUTSIDE A PRIVATE HOME SHOULD BE BANNED AND A JAIL SENTENCE IF ANYONE IS FOUND CARRYING OUTSIDE THE HOME.

The 2nd does NOT apply outside the home, even if one believes the wrongly interpreted regular person allowed to have a gun to protect ONES HOME.

It is the legal gun that stops illegal guns from being found and removed.

And in almost all incidents of gun violence, THE GUN WAS LEGAL.

(and of course, I would ban bullets and gun dealers and gun shows.
Let the collectors collect.
Let the gallery shooters shoot in galleries (like mini golf, renting a gun and when leaving, leaving the gun)
Let the hunters hunt with bow and arrow like the Native Americans did for centuries.

etc.

MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT IS HARMED BY SOME SUPPOSED WRONG READING OF #2.
(AND #2 IS WHAT IT IS.)

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
7. Just more of your RW authoritarian nonsense
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:09 AM
Nov 2012

So, how do you get thugs from acquiring firearms and using them against a defensless population?
Do you honestly believe that another law is going to be obeyed?

mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
64. I've explained this to you before.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:30 AM
Nov 2012

Criminals get their guns from the law abiding. There are only a few ways this happens and proper gun control, directed at lawful gun owners, would choke off the flow.

But you're not interested in anything that will inconvenience you even a little bit.

http://mikeb302000.blogspot.it/2012/06/four-major-ways-criminals-get-guns.html

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
67. you forgot five and six
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:45 AM
Nov 2012

steal them from cops
buy them from bad cops, like NYPD
and don't forget seven
make them or buy them from those who do.

The last is common from the Yakusa and Australian biker gangs, who have been known to make sub machine guns to sell to drug dealers.

How does the mob and other criminals get illegal guns in Italy?
Your whole rant is so US centric.
I seriously doubt straw purchases are a major source since the average US crime gun is almost 12 years old from last FFL purchase to crime.
http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/trace-data/2011/2011-trace-data-puerto-rico.pdf
Although Puerto Rico has fairly strict laws, the time to crime is less than the national average.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
10. And of course you would allow GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES to legally carry guns outside
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:16 AM
Nov 2012

Because your idea is pure authoritarianism.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,480 posts)
11. We're going to need a demonstration
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:27 AM
Nov 2012

You can show us how it's done.

We could all chip in. You get a bow and arrows, sleeping bag, canteen, machete, fishing line and hooks...

You start at Chilchukabena Lake in the Denali National Park, bag a bear and bring it to Anchorage. When you manage to show us the bear, we sign a petition to bring your idea before the House and Senate.

I'd wait til Spring though, it's getting a bit brisk. How many arrows would you like?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. How would this have stopped any mass shooter?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:32 AM
Nov 2012

do you really think that they will obey a ban that forbids them taking their guns out of homes?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
17. the gun won't get in the perimeter with already there proper security
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:11 AM
Nov 2012

only a criminal fears an eye in the sky or an unmanned satellite able to spot instantly a
gun and bullets

your soundbytes from the $million dollar suits in the NRA are laughable, in that you regurgitate the soundbytes time and again

and the paranoia is amazing."they are after me" "they are animals"
such bullshit

the only fear is in the fear itself

free oneself of having to hold your piece, and forever enjoy the peace

FOr all we know, Mr. Martin would have found the cure for Ebola, but Zimmerman shot him in cold blood coward style dead, by the mass paranoia a gun brings upon oneself.
Mr. Martin is up in heaven now. Hopefully Zimmy will be forever in hell.

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
19. Really? That's your plan?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:41 AM
Nov 2012

24/7 aerial surveillance of the entire country in detail?

We're miles away from any technology like that, and even if we weren't, it'd be a nightmare to live under continuous state scrutiny. I like the 4th Amendment, too. I guess you and Meek Mayor Mike share a disregard for that'n.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
20. I get frisked for 30 years at Madison Square garden. Don't like it? Don't go. I feel safe on airline
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:48 AM
Nov 2012

and don't mind someone scanning me.
I am not paranoid.
Long as the searches are for everyone and not just minorities like cops normally do as so many are taught racist techniques by the police chiefs (and we know the police has more power than the mayor in NY at least.)

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
24. I don't go to Madison Square Garden, so that's not an issue
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:59 AM
Nov 2012

That's voluntary, and they can do whatever they like for security. I object to being subjected to continuous and intrusive aerial surveillance by the government from birth to death, which seems to be your solution to crime.

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
26. Maybe the store knows, but probably not the FBI.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:52 PM
Nov 2012

Do you think the FBI should know? Do you think it's any of their business?

I'm guessing your response will be "I'm not a criminal, I have nothing to hide," but the 4th Amendment wasn't written to protect criminals. It was to protect the innocent. I want those protections.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
28. The kind of surveillance you want
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:02 PM
Nov 2012

will be abused by the PTB, always has, always will. I find your advocacy of more govt. control very disturbing and unsettling. Why would you want more invasive surveillance when the govt. has been caught time and again abusing that power?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
29. Just because a bad Bush does it, doesn't mean others will. Stop being afraidy cat
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:20 PM
Nov 2012

don't like what Bush did? Don't elect Jeb or George P. EVER.

Why do we have cops in the first place? to keep people safe.

you keep using negatives instead of positives.

And 3 people complaining about the TSA (all who happened to have TV camera with them btw)
does not make a problem when there are millions nationwide going through airports, now all safe.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
31. Cops are not there to make you safe
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:32 PM
Nov 2012

My job is not to protect the individual citizen unless in my custody, my job is to protect the general public, you are responsible for your own personal safety.
A bad Bush does what??????
Your defense of more surveillance, support of the Patriot Act tells me all I need to know about you. Your constantly saying that armed citizens denies your right to peacefully assemble is complete bullshit, and calling me a fraidy cat, that's funny considering that you're the one who has an inordinate fear of an inanimate object.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
33. guns kill. people with legal guns kill. Without a gun, people won't kill in mass numbers.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:12 PM
Nov 2012

I am Joe Q. Public, member of the general public.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
36. People with a gun won't kill in mass numbers?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:51 PM
Nov 2012

Sure you want to stick to that lie?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

The Akihabara massacre (秋葉原通り魔事件 Akihabara Tōrima Jiken?, lit. "Akihabara random attacker incident&quot was an incident of mass murder that took place on Sunday, June 8, 2008, in the Akihabara shopping quarter for electronics, video games and comics in Sotokanda, Chiyoda, Tokyo, Japan.

At 12:33 p.m. JST, a man hit a crowd with a truck, eventually killing three people and injuring two; he then stabbed at least 12 people using a dagger (initially reported as a survival knife[1]), killing four people and injuring eight.[2][3][4][5]

Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department arrested Tomohiro Katō (加藤 智大 Katō Tomohiro?), 25, on suspicion of attempted murder.[4][5] The suspect, dressed then in a black T-shirt with a jacket and off-white trousers,[6] was a resident of Susono, Shizuoka.[4][7] He was held at the Manseibashi Police Station.[8] Two days later on June 10, he was sent to the Tokyo District Public Prosecutor's Office.[4][7] He was later re-arrested by the police on June 20 on suspicion of murder.[5][9] During the trial, prosecutors sought the death penalty, [10] and the Tokyo District Court agreed, sentencing Kato to death. [11]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Chinese_school_attacks

School attacks in China (2010–2011)

A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 21 dead and some 90 injured. Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents.[1]

Contents
[hide] 1 March 2010
2 April 2010
3 May 2010
4 August 2010
5 August 2011
6 September 2011
7 Causes
8 Reaction and response
9 See also
10 References
11 External links


[edit] March 2010

Main article: Nanping school massacre

On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping,[3] Fujian province; The attack was widely reported in Chinese media , sparking fears of copycat crimes.[4] Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed about one month later on April 28.[3]

[edit] April 2010

Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province,[5] in Leizhou,[6] Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher.[4] Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou;[7] he was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June.[8] On April 29 in Taixing,[3] Jiangsu, 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten[9] and stabbed 28 students, two teachers and one security guard;[4] most of the Taixing students were 4 years old.[10] On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang,[3] Shandong, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation.[4]

[edit] May 2010

An attacker named Wu Huanming , 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010;[3] early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks.[3][11] The attacker later committed suicide at his house; he was the landlord of the school,[12] Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building.[12]

On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology, a vocational college in Haikou, Hainan, more than 10 men[13] charged into a dormitory wielding knives around 2:30 am;[14] after attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously.[14] The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13.[15]

[edit] August 2010

On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime; his motive is not yet known.[16]

[edit] August 2011

Eight children, all aged four or five,[17] were hurt in Minhang District, Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed them with a box-cutter.[18]

[edit] September 2011

In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi,[19] Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe.[20] Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived.[21] The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill.


So you can't commit mass murder w/o a gun?

Response to glacierbay (Reply #36)

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
52. you are still posting NRA/ authority(aka police) talking points I see.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:13 AM
Nov 2012

I am not going from this thread. Nor running away from my anti-gun point of view.

guns=killings, war, violence
no guns=peace

this bull about using a knife, or spoon or something misses the whole point

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
57. Here's what you said
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:52 AM
Nov 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117287037#post33

Here is my rebuttal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117287037#post36

So, what point did I miss? I totally destroyed your rant and this is all you can come up with? How about addressing the fact that I proved you wrong on mass murders.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
61. Dude, you got owned - with a capital P
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:06 PM
Nov 2012

At least have the decency to admit you've been bested in this argument, dust yourself off, and carry on with the 1984 rhetoric at your leisure.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
51. One word.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:31 AM
Nov 2012
guns kill. people with legal guns kill. Without a gun, people won't kill in mass numbers.

Rwanda.
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
39. St. Michael of Bloomberg's NYPD already has- and got caught:
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:06 PM
Nov 2012

But that's OK with you, apparently...

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-25/news/32853161_1_muslim-student-groups-nypd-muslims-in-new-york

LISTEN: 911 caller outs NYPD spying in NJ
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Wednesday, July 25, 2012

NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. — It’s an audiotape the New York Police Department hoped you would never hear.

A building superintendent at an apartment complex just off the Rutgers University campus called the New Brunswick Police 911 line in June 2009. He said his staff had been conducting a routine inspection and came across something suspicious...

... The caller, Salil Sheth, had stumbled upon one of the NYPD’s biggest secrets: a safe house, a place where undercover officers working well outside the department’s jurisdiction could lie low and coordinate surveillance. Since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the NYPD, with training and guidance from the CIA, has monitored the activities of Muslims in New York and far beyond. Detectives infiltrated mosques, eavesdropped in cafes and kept tabs on Muslim student groups, including at Rutgers.

The NYPD kept files on innocent sermons, recorded the names of political organizers in police documents and built databases of where Muslims lived and shopped, even where they were likely to gather to watch sports. Out-of-state operations, like the one in New Brunswick, were one aspect of this larger intelligence-gathering effort. The Associated Press previously described the discovery of the NYPD inside the New Jersey apartment, but police now have released the tape of the 911 call and other materials after a legal fight...


People like you remind me of William Roper in Robert Bolt's A Man For All Seasons:

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
37. What you're advocating is that they SHOULD
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:27 PM
Nov 2012

be looking at me. Continuous aerial surveillance, every time I go outside. Or inside, if they have the technology to spy on me there, too. My movements should be known to the government, and they should be able to see at a glance if I'm at a strip club, anti-war demonstration, or a gun shop. I'm not so ready to accept the notion that government is always, and will perpetually be, trustworthy.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
40. You do realize they already are. They don't care
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:51 PM
Nov 2012

Do you want the public to be safe? Or 3000 people to die in one minute like on 9-11?
Or dozens like in some of these incidents that occur more and more

I would rather be safe than dead.

(and if the FBI wanted to watch you in a gun shop, they would already be doing so.)

It is like going to a wellness visit to the doctor but saying why go, you don't want the flu shot, then you get the flu.
I would rather get the vaccine than the flu.

and again, every single thing I buy is on a credit card. And because my store offers discounts, I use my stores card, so they know everything I purchase.
My e-z pass gets me through the tunnel quicker and cheaper.

and its my guess that any car that does not have an e-z pass is also tracked and noted

Meanwhile, we do have the means to stop gun shootings.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
32. Hell
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:37 PM
Nov 2012

I've asked him several times how any law will stop the vicious animals who will carry guns no matter what laws are passed and I either get no answer or a post so convulted, that I can't make heads nor tails of what he's saying.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
35. Detectors and guards at every entrance to every public space?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:45 PM
Nov 2012

that's your solution? What about the streets? The shooter can simply wait at the entrance for everyone as they come out.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
47. Actually, it would make more sense if the detectors were placed at the door
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:36 PM
Nov 2012

to your cell home, so that the door wouldn't open if you were carrying forbidden items. Not just a metal detector of course - I'm sure an automated blood-test, breathalyzer, and robotic frisker/cavity-searcher could be devised. No windows or alternative exits would be permitted, and those members of society who don't have homes in which to be imprisoned would naturally be rounded up and placed in prison. All blunt and sharp objects would be removed from public spaces, and, as a final safety measure, all citizens would be required to wear one-piece fleece jumpsuits with attached footy-socks and mittens. GPS monitors sewn in, natch! I really don't see what's so difficult about this...

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
48. Oh hell
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:43 PM
Nov 2012

you know as well as I do that wouldn't satisfy him.
He won't be satisfied until all law abiding citizens are disarmed.
He knows that the goblins will never disarm, but he doesn't seem to care.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
50. Really.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:26 AM
Nov 2012
And in almost all incidents of gun violence, THE GUN WAS LEGAL.

Please tell us how you arrived at this conclusion.
 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
54. Sounds great except for one small problem:
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:45 AM
Nov 2012

Most criminals probably keep their guns at home.

Except when they decide to go and commit a crime, so they take it with them and commit a crime with them.

Even the subject in the OP kept his guns at home. That's how the subject's mother saw them.

Even if we passed a law stating what you suggest, people would be crying the next day that the laws weren't tough enough because people were leaving their homes with their guns to commit crimes.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
72. How does it feel to be on such a losing side?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:16 PM
Nov 2012

In this past year there have been dozens of pro-gun state laws passed and signed, and several pro-gun referendums that passed.

Over half the House and almost half the Senate has an NRA rating of "A". Any gun control bill is dead-on-arrival at the Federal level.

How does it feel to be losing so badly?

 

clffrdjk

(905 posts)
2. No no no you're both not doing enough
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:33 AM
Nov 2012

Neither of you go far enough. We need to bring in the UN and preform a door to door search anyone found with a weapon gets shot on sight. If you decide to turn in your death machines you will be enrolled at a treatment facility where you will be taught how things work in the real world. Only then can we be sure that the gun problem has been eliminated.







I hope it isn't needed but how do I "sarcasm tag"?

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,480 posts)
8. Welcome
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:10 AM
Nov 2012


The sarcasm tag is created by typing the word "sarcasm" and putting a colon ":" before and after with no spaces.

Should there be a prize um... I mean bounty for ratting out your neighbors, friends and relatives with guns?

ileus

(15,396 posts)
4. Another example of why I exercise my 2A rights.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:50 AM
Nov 2012

Thanks for proving me right...


Remember ALL your rights are worthless if you're DEAD. The 2A assures your right to life, liberty, and happiness exercise regularly to ensure it's there when you need it most.

Stay safe and be alert my friends.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,480 posts)
6. My opinion...
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:03 AM
Nov 2012

...is that you didn't link out of the OP and I like that.

Anything about an "exhaustive mental health background check combined with a "may issue" policy" relating to exercising a right is just fascism.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,480 posts)
22. The natural evolution...
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:54 AM
Nov 2012

...of all sorts of fascist, tyrannical, control based philosophies is freedom. The natural state of man is freedom. The essential link between one's own choices and efforts and their reward is the basis for productivity.

In freedom the number of those willing to help the victim, donate to the less fortunate and rescue the imperiled will always be greater than the number wanting to burden, tax and control the free people.

Government's first job is to defend freedom.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
23. Hey Mikey, May I make a suggestion?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:58 AM
Nov 2012

Please watch this film and help us install A National Health Care System that is not contingent on Employment. Support Mental Health Awareness and Help To Remove The Stigma of Depression and PTSD. Thank you.

We Need to Talk About Kevin (2011)
Kevin's mother struggles to love her strange child, despite the increasingly vicious things he says and does as he grows up. But Kevin is just getting started, and his final act will be beyond anything anyone imagined.
Eva Khatchadourian is trying to piece together her life following the "incident". Once a successful travel writer, she is forced to take whatever job comes her way, which of late is as a clerk in a travel agency. She lives a solitary life as people who know about her situation openly shun her, even to the point of violent actions toward her. She, in turn, fosters that solitary life because of the incident, the aftermath of which has turned her into a meek and scared woman. That incident involved her son Kevin Khatchadourian, who is now approaching his eighteenth birthday. Eva and Kevin have always had a troubled relationship, even when he was an infant. Whatever troubles he saw, Franklin, Eva's complacent husband, just attributed it to Kevin being a typical boy. The incident may be seen by both Kevin and Eva as his ultimate act in defiance against his mother.

more at link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242460/

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
41. Has anyone else noticed how Hoyt is rec-ing all the gun control threads?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:31 PM
Nov 2012

I feel bad for him. I think he and rDigital should be allowed back in.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
45. Only if your idea of fun is a guy screaming insults in your face...
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:59 PM
Nov 2012

... then alerting on anyone that confronts him with actual facts and counting on a jury of "His" Peers to hide Gungeon threads and eventually ban as many RKBA supporters as they can. In all his time here I can't recall a single time when he ever provided a single link to support the "facts" he spewed as "his opinion".

If I want a chuckle I can always go up to Meta and see him stretching any thread, and a lot that aren't, gun related for several hundred posts with his drivel and lies.

His only objective is to lie as much as he needs to to piss people off and into saying something that will get them banned.

He's happy, after all, he has his complete collection of photos of Tea Bagger asses with guns in coffee shops and fields.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
58. Just click on the little box right above the rec box and it will tell you
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:56 AM
Nov 2012

who recced it, the one here is by Hoyt, go figure.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
56. I'm not willing to make that tradeoff.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:50 AM
Nov 2012
, which would include an exhaustive mental health background check combined with a "may issue" policy, is the only way to weed out these dangerous characters. We can't depend on their mothers dropping a dime.

Events like this are tragic, but thankfully rare.

I'm not willing to have to submit to mental health background checks and may issue policies to try and prevent them. That's too much inconvenience on too many people because of the actions of too few.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
63. You are, again, violating DU's (stated) copyright policy
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:19 AM
Nov 2012

and the rights of the author and publisher of the article you are stealing from. I will continue finding and informing the editors of those services or publications you steal from until DU decides to get serious about copyright infringement.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
71. When someone begins
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:47 PM
Nov 2012

to plan a crime, that too is a crime. It's called a conspiracy. Once the planning begins, the person is breaking the law and is no longer a lawful gun owner.

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