Gun Control & RKBA

mikeb302000

(1,065 posts) Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:21 AM Nov 2012

2012 Murders are Up in Oakland

The fatal shooting of a 33-year-old man in Oakland has bought this year’s homicide tally to 110, tying the city’s mark last year.

Officer Rob Rosin tells the Oakland Tribune that police responding to reports of gunfire found Jose Rivera Estrada lying on a sidewalk in east Oakland Wednesday night.

He was pronounced dead at the scene. Rosin said police did not have a motive for the killing or any suspects in custody.

The incident was Oakland’s 110th homicide so far this year, the same total for all of 2011. The city also recorded the same number of homicides in 2009.

This is the time of year when we see reports like this. The John Lott supporters keep telling us that BECAUSE there are more guns around there is less violence. But, even the author himself knows that's not true.

Like we reported about Baltimore the other day, Oakland doesn't seem to be benefiting like it should.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
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2012 Murders are Up in Oakland (Original Post) mikeb302000 Nov 2012 OP

Must be because all of the gun shops and firearms dealers in Oakland. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #1

Well we've now done away with open-carry in CA, I'm sure that will do the trick petronius Nov 2012 #10

But not in El Paso gejohnston Nov 2012 #2

I recommend you move from Oakland, or pick up your own PPD. ileus Nov 2012 #3

Looks like Oakland has a violent criminal problem they need to take care of. nt hack89 Nov 2012 #4

Didn't California's gun control laws get an "A" rating? Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #5

Indeed it did, and Alameda County is one of the most difficult places to obtain a concealed weapons slackmaster Nov 2012 #6

Well see they had a problem 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #9

I think Lott was referring to lawful gun owners. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #7

Hey Mikey! Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #8

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)

1. Must be because all of the gun shops and firearms dealers in Oakland.

Reply to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:26 AM

Nov 2012

If only the city would enact some gun control laws, all this violence would just STOP.

petronius

(26,603 posts)

10. Well we've now done away with open-carry in CA, I'm sure that will do the trick

Reply to Common Sense Party (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:03 PM

Nov 2012

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

2. But not in El Paso

Reply to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:29 AM

Nov 2012

which is still about half of Vancouver, and one fourth of Thunder Bay, which is Canada's murder capitol.
Oakland and Baltimore have these in common
stricter gun laws
wealth inequality
poor race relations

Why did street gangs rarely use guns to dealt with each other until the 1970s? Esp. before the WOD, even though they didn't need straw purchasers, just a outdoor catalog and a money order, not to mention the gun store down the street?

ileus

(15,396 posts)

3. I recommend you move from Oakland, or pick up your own PPD.

Reply to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:32 AM

Nov 2012

I recommend a 9mm semi auto....fun for the whole family to plink with at the range, and a great personal safety device. Ammo is inexpensive and easy to buy anywhere so you'll want to practice all the time.

Everyone always recommends the G19 so I'm going to go ahead and beat them to the punch.

Now get out there and be safe.

hack89

(39,171 posts)

4. Looks like Oakland has a violent criminal problem they need to take care of. nt

Reply to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:48 AM

Nov 2012

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)

5. Didn't California's gun control laws get an "A" rating?

Reply to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:56 AM

Nov 2012

Could have sworn some Republican group...

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)

6. Indeed it did, and Alameda County is one of the most difficult places to obtain a concealed weapons

Reply to Eleanors38 (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:36 AM

Nov 2012

...permit in the state.

Maybe Oakland's crime problems have something to do with the people who live there.

I know that sounds crazy, but after you peel away all the nonsense about gun laws that's all that's left.

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)

9. Well see they had a problem

Reply to Eleanors38 (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:47 AM

Nov 2012

More guns weren't leading to more crimes.

So they had to restrict legitimate gun usage to drive up crime so they could argue that they needed more gun restrictions.

How can you be a hero without first creating the problem you're going to save everyone from?

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)

7. I think Lott was referring to lawful gun owners.

Reply to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:54 AM

Nov 2012

As opposed to infringed gun owners and criminals.

Maximize gun laws, maximize crime.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)

8. Hey Mikey!

Reply to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:08 AM

Nov 2012

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