have a surtax that is earmarked for mental health programs.

good idea!

of victims of gun CULTure violence

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since the drug culture fuels and funds much of the gun violence in the US. Oh yeah, don't forget Mexico.

please try to keep the talking points straight

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The point isn't the guns or where they come from. The average meth head and pot smoker has blood on their hands because they are the market share.

So market share determines who has blood?

So what you're saying is that you have just a little on your hands and they have a lot?

Doubt either you or I believe that.

If I were a beer drinker in 1920s Chicago, my hands would be bloody unless I brewed my own. Same concept.

You'll have to connect the dots more.

Guns are not now nor are they likely to be banned in this country.

Certain guns...maybe...not unlike banning certain drinks like Absinthe.

Are you saying the majority of gun market share in this country is used for illegal activity?

I'm saying that most murders in the US are ummmmmmm extrajudicial business disputes among those who operate under the counter pharmacies and politically incorrect cash crops.

and the cartels get there guns from US "law abiding" gun shops.

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straw buying is a federal crime. I have never seen anyone wanting to legalizing straw buyers.
The cartels get their machine guns and grenades from where again?

Straw buyers would be quick to finger.

and they would dissappear.

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if i stuck a cardboard cut out of an AK-47 over my shotgun, would that count?

If it looks military - ban it.

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current military, historical military?

BTW how is it stupid when you just affirmed what i said?

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then it is OK

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...invest in firearms-quality wood laminate companies.

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as long as they can hold no more than 5 rounds.

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A semi-auto AK-47 with a Michigan legal five round mag (some states don't have the same restrictions on magazine capacity for hunting)is a good choice as a deer hunting rifle.

an AK is not

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A machine gun that fires .308 rounds isn't a legal deer gun.

AKs were designed to kill humans - not deer.

Apologist fail

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And the 7.62×39mm is just as effective in killing deer as the .30-30 round.

150 - 170 grain .30-.30 rounds have far better knockdown power than yer stupid little 123 grain AK round.

and gun nuts agree...

http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/336/16076-why-do-people-compare-30-30-7-62x39.html

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Notice that most of the folks there are in Michigan and Wyoming. The deer are larger than, say, the ones in Florida. Mule Deer, found in places like Wyoming and Idaho, are larger than white tails.

Dead is dead. What difference does it make if the .30-30 round had more knockdown power if the end result is that either way, the deer is dead?

equivalence fail.

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around here, if you want to use the AK clone for hunting, you will have to find a five round mag for it.

Becasue they come with the standard 30 round mass-murder clip.

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that is how Remington sells them. Never shopped for AK type mags, don't own one. I'll have to take your word for it.

Feral pigs -- a HUGE environmental problem in the south -- are best dealt with via a 7.62x39 and lots of fast follow-up shots (big packs of pigs all together at one time). Semi-auto AKs are great choices.

Feral pigs are not hunted, they are exterminated.

Skipping the whole Second Amendment not talking about hunting at all, and the Supreme Court not using hunting as the purpose of owning firearms, but whatever.

so if you want to go Nile monitor hunting around Cora Gables

will do the job in one shot.

Weenie AK fail.

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It was the mainstay of the US armed forces until the advent of the M14 in 1959. The M14 was chambered in .308, another of your "deer rifle" calibers.

But the hunting rifles that use them are very different from the Gun Nut Wolverine Variety guns that should be banned.

Ex. Remington Woodsmaster .308 vs. M-14.

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As for your little rant: not happening.



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...annual bills. They've failed 8 straight times so far. Never even make it out of committee...

More are getting killed every year and it's not making allies for your position.

Maybe you should look up those Gallup polls and refresh your memory. Those lines are not trending in your position's favor.

And you think current events are supporting and trending your position?

Maybe you haven't figured this out but this tragedy happened in a state with very strict gun laws. Those laws didn't work. Period. So maybe it's time to think that legislating away tragedy is a failed concept and start examining things that do work.

You must have missed the article where the county rejected a recent gun control ordinance.

Google NYT article from yesterday.

How on earth does that make anyone any safer?

I like the rest of your ideas.

and plays into their Wolverine/Rambo fantasies.

If they looked like a common run-of-the-mill deer rifle, they would not want them - or use them to entertain their fantasies of "justified" mass killings.

That is what gun CULTure is all about - and that's why we have a problem with these weapons.

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although putting an AR action in a nice mannlicher stock and a five round mag would be reasonable, don't you think?

Never used by any military and -- in skilled hands -- as fast and more accurate than any semi-auto

really after 45+ million and 2 maybe probables....Gov. Pataki's wet dream.

The money would have been more usefull elsewhere

http://hudsonvalley.ynn.com/content/top_stories/579210/cuomo-shoots-down-cobis-to-save-money/

point is money could have been spent on other related licensing programs, background checks, skip tracing , etc. The fees paid a portion for the filing but not the entire freight for the equipment, personel..

Run a steel brush down the bore and fire a few rounds.

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... that the reason there is no productive debate about gun regulations is this country is that the loudest voices on either side of the argument don't present reasonable arguments?

Banning anything because of the way it looks is an argument totally devoid of merit or reason. That is why emotional laws like the AWB do nothing to inhibit crime or prevent the kind of tragedies you claim to be so upset about. What they do accomplish is to more entrench those who might otherwise be willing to engage you in seeking a workable compromise that actually does some good.

You need gun owners and gun enthusiasts -- people who actually understand firearms -- on your side to pass any kind of meaningful legislation. Otherwise, it's like the FAA being run entirely by people who are afraid of flying. You won't get anyone on you side by hyperbolic and emotional calls for bans on "military-looking weapons".

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No typewriter, no word processor, no modern ink pen, definitely no computer.

That was reasonable.