Gun Control & RKBA
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In the last two days, theres been a whole lot of anti-gun sentiment from pro-control people, from "ban them all" people, from "repeal the second amendment" people, "dismantle the nra" people, "license and register guns like we do cars" people, "allow only muskets" people, "allow single shot firearms" people, "bring back the assault weapons ban" people, and on and on and on.
Theres a common flaw in all of this, however:
If you "ban them all", the vulnerability of a place like a school remains, when someone ignores the ban, and the sign saying "no guns", or decides to do any of a number of other things non firearm related.
If you "repeal the second amendment", the vulnerability of a place like a school remains, when someone ignores it, and the sign saying "no guns", or decides to do any of a number of other things non firearm related.
If you "dismantle the nra", the vulnerability of a place like a school remains, when someone ignores it, and the sign saying "no guns", or decides to do any of a number of other things non firearm related.
If you "license and register guns like we do cars", the vulnerability of a place like a school remains, when someone ignores the it, and the sign saying "no guns", or decides to do any of a number of other things non firearm related.
If you "allow only muskets", the vulnerability of a place like a school remains, when someone ignores it, and the sign saying "no guns", or decides to do any of a number of other things non firearm related.
If you "allow only single shot firearms", the vulnerability of a place like a school remains, when someone ignores it, and the sign saying "no guns", or decides to do any of a number of other things non firearm related.
If you "bring back the assault weapons ban", the vulnerability of a place like a school remains, when someone ignores the ban, and the sign saying "no guns", or decides to do any of a number of other things non firearm related.
Until you actually address and rectify the vulnerability of a place like a school, none of those other things make a real difference in preventing another incident in another vulnerable place like what happened.
Why would anyone really think that those that value their rights where firearms are concerned would be willing to budge so much as an inch in the direction of those that dislike firearms regardless of whether they're used for good or bad, until those very real and enabling conditions are dealt with? Some people believe that that pro-control people just want to ban guns whether they're used for good or bad, and in not addressing and rectifying the vulnerability of places, like schools, those beliefs become that much more justified, whether its real and true, or just perception.
Have any of you given that any real thought? If not, you should.
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safeinOhio
(32,690 posts)What did the NRA do to stop what happened? What did all the legal gun carriers do to stop it? What did allowing people to legally purchase guns from a private party without a background check do to stop it"? How have those that argue against any type of reasonable restrictions on high volume magazines make what happened less likely? How have those that live and die with their love and fascination with firearms helped prevent any mass shooting? How have laws that make it easy to own modern military type rifles helped stop these types of things?
By suggesting reasonable restriction, I have been labeled a gun grabber, authoritarian and worse by those that live, die and breath guns. Every time I post any suggestion on how to prevent being a victim of crime by securing ones home, I get hammered by this group.
At least now I'm not seeing all of those anti names used as insults in this group. It's a start in having an intelligent debate on the issue.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)They are well trained, well armed members of the police force. It really wasn't difficult. You ask your town, the town agrees to pay the considerable extra taxes and you get actual security instead of a bunch of teachers with gun or dead children.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)I'd be willing to put my firearms skill and training up against just about any police officer.
I don't understand why police officers are held up as gods.
They are just people. Many of whom have only rudimentary firearm training.
YllwFvr
(827 posts)We had a guy drop a gun during qualifying. Some of these guys know nothing about the gun they carry beyond pulling the trigger makes it go bang. Watching them shoot is terrible.
Id say your average gun owner is a better shot. They like guns and practice more often. Shooting once a year isn't enough.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Remember that recent shooting in which all of the bystanders were hit by police bullets?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Paul Krugman had an great post about this today. At one point, the Dems realized that they could win without trying to win over the Southern white vote (i.e. Whistling past Dixie). Basically, they are going to vote Republican anyway, but with changing demographics the Dems can win without them.
The same goes for gun fanatics. Trying to reason with them or convince them to vote for Dems is useless. For the most part, they are the same rural white conservative older males that vote Republican, a diminishing demographic. The majority of Americans support things like registering handguns, so it's time to make a stand and just forget about the second amendment absolutists.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/whistling-past-the-gun-lobby/
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)One banner seemed to sum it up by adopting the approach of shaming gun owners. Classic prohibitionism, apparently aimed at driving out 2A supporters. Way beyond DU, or even the whole debate, I find that troubling for this country's future viability as a peaceful democracy.
There is a lot of violence in the hearts of these banners.
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