Yes I know the answer to that question.

Obviously, you feel strongly on the subject...

How about elaborating on your rant?

19 kids died in Oklahoma City
19 kids died in CT

both are the same and should both be considered terrorism

and once no guns are in the street

indeed, a star trek like eye in the sky can solve the problem

seize the movement

Lincoln was a Republican. Any thoughts?

if you want to discuss Lincoln, there are appropriate threads. This is not the area.

this is 2012.

I don't stereotype nor hate.

but guns do.

and the NRA will be reclassified

I am very consitent

btw-why is there no anti-gun private group here?

this group is controlled and not akin to being open

and normally gun talk is not allowed on other parts

Where does an anti-gun person converse without fear

...you're here all week...

...make my points for me.

...at it.

"The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside."

this reminds me of the NRA perfectly.

reframe the issue and NRA=ALQueeda

...for pointing that out.

There are areas where you can discuss the nra. This is one. I'd be happy to if you'd like.
I've an errand but I'll be back in maybe 45 minutes.

Or possible calling me a terrorist because I own guns?

In once case there was clearly political intent. OK City unquestionably met the actual definition of "terrorism." Lanza appears to have had no political motive whatsoever. It wasn't terrorism.

and terrorism is terror

treat it the same way

now, all buildings have new security to stop a car bomb because of Oklahoma
new security can stop all guns in the street

with reclassification no guns on street and any found is then taken care of

I for one welcome new security

because guns don't make me safe

but keeping guns out of the street makes me safe

seize the moment. The genie is out, the cork is unscrewed, this is the moment

and make Mike Bloomberg the next Homeland security chief.

Guns are tools. Ignorance is terrifying.

...to ban ignorance.

...it - wait for it - changes the meaning.

I know there were conspiracy theorists out there
but Timid, the guy who had a gun when he was arrested, and died never spoke

So how does one know?

Just curious

McVeigh, a militia movement sympathizer, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the Waco Siege, which had ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years prior to the bombing, as well as for the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against what he considered to be a tyrannical federal government. He was convicted of 11 federal offenses and sentenced to death. His execution took place on June 11, 2001 at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana. Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier were also convicted as conspirators in the plot.

I guess that along with some other descriptions of McVeigh that probably applies.

...explain your reason for saying that the SHES shooting should be characterized as "terrorism".
Keep in mind that terrorism means: "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."

Thanks

As well as pretty much any other protest.


Some idiots on TV called boycotts "terrorism".

again, the NRA wordshift is bullshrift

I am talking about guns
I was told in the last thread I was off topic mentioning something not directly involved with guns, so I will not break this private groups rules talking about anything but classifying guns as wmd

and last I heard, it was only the #1 supporter of the NRA, Fox and their friends that talked like you mentioned.
They are part of the same propaganda team

more important nra=alqueeda
freeze their assets

and maybe freeze Fox's assets if they are active supporters of terrorists

Rupe isn't in the game forever, make Fox change to all sports by having zero ratings

That's the only response to your stuff that I can think of.

Telling an American citizen to move for expressing his opinion simply and only because you disagree with it deserves a response.

What Bull Freaking .....

We have the right to seek redress from our government. Based on your response, it sounds like you rather than him might be more comfortable in North Korea. I heard the same mantra during the Vietnam war from right wingers....'love it or leave it' as if that is the only option.

Disagree...no problem but telling someone to move is simply wrong.

EDIT: Maybe I'm over-reacting but I believe your post should be called out. I hate the Love It or Leave It argument. It's complete BS.

Since this is obviously a ridiculous post, it got a ridiculous response.

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I point out that "as long as there are electronics for sale, I'm not unarmed," and his kind flies off the handle.

But you only seem concerned with just two places...how many people died in Aurora, how many were killed at the Sikh Temple in Wisconsin, how many were killed at Virginia Tech?

You also want surveillance on all Americans...didn't realize that DU members were now advocating for this kind of thing...I guess the next amendments to be repealed will be the 4th followed by the 5th!

DU seems to have bred more police staters then you could ever find on FreeRepublic...

When an insane and evil person decides to kill, they don't need a gun.

In your race to conflate the two you have been a bit loose with the facts.

19 children were murdered by McVeigh, and a further 139 people were also killed. Not a single bullet was fired from a gun.

20 children were murdered by Adam Lanza, also killed were 6 staff at the school, and his own mother, the first victim.
20 children were brutally massacred, slaughtered, individually shot.. do you get that, that is madness, vile cruelty.. And yet for you it is a number to provide a poetic symmetry, and you were wrong on how many.... Did the 20th child not matter? not fit the template?

As a former soldier, and a combat veteran I cherish innocence above all, and I am truly torn, I have firearms, and if I believed violence would stop I would turn them all in. I don't believe that. In fact my time overseas has reinforced my childhood upbringing of never again.

I will not use the dead to push my agenda, or belief, or fears. I will also speak out when I see others try the same.

...they need a tool.

symetry is a splendid thing sometimes in clarity making.

and factually 19 is 19.
Nobody said it wasn't more than 19, but 19 is 19.
you can't get to 26 without passing 19.

though i can understand someone would not want to see Oklahoma City = CT school

and thanks for proving my point.

because of Oklahoma and WTC you no longer can easily drive a car into a building in most sophisticated places. People said ENUF is ENUF and they did things to help insure it would not happen.

There are now concrete planters or garbage cans or some asthetic looking diddlydoo that blocks a car

and McTimid had guns, and in retrospect the coward said he wished he used them

I guess America should have stereotyped everyone that looked like him, especially at the airport, those tall handsome wasn't he blonde/blue eyed? men, right?
After all, those that look like Timodthy the Coward are the ones that keep doing these sort of events.

and thank GOD for the TSA, because I am not concerned in the least if they see me privates, but I am thankful that each and every one of them has since they started, not had one terror thing on a plane, and a mere handful of complaints(all from people who happened IMAGINE THAT) to have a camera crew with them.

And if you don't like Bush, don't vote for Jeb. Quite simple.
Me, I trust president Obama and after that President Hillary Clinton45 and President Kennedy46 to do whatever they do, without thought, because good people do the best they can as people, knowing that no person is perfect.

I can look back at photos, see the glowing adoration of a "Savior", and the belief that all their wishes were about to come through... It ended badly for many of them, and even worse for my family.
By giving my safety to the state and its corporate masters, I am allowing an opportunity for them to remove it.. for me never again.
Also your painting of all these shootings and terror attacks as an ethnic problem " blonde/blue eyed"... again shit like that scares the bejebus out of me. And you wonder me and many more like me want to hold on to our weapons.

the first, fourth, fifth amendments either are you?

Oh, wait, there WERE gunners there, but they were too afraid to shoot and hit SOMEBODY ELSE. Even SWAT teams won't shoot at a perp in a crowd of people. Imagine a teacher shooting at gunman with 20 or so little kids all around?????

I will give you this, which I have posted before. The Land of the Gun Florida has armed legitmate police officiers at the schools where everybody and his mother (pun intended) owns guns.

Please re-read. There were charges (strangely contradictory stuff about ineffectiveness, cowardice, etc.).

I asked folks here -- you included, if you so wish -- what the laws in Conn re: guns held by responsible folks, and there status/presence in the school; put another way, could ANYONE have legal presence in the school? If the notion of an armed presence in a school is repugnant, if a citizen with legal CC is repugnant, fine. But why these questions &attacks if someone cannot legally be there in the first place? And I still can't seem to get answers, only the smear and attacks as usual.

Again. Do you know the answers? I don't.

Incidentally, the Beam me up clairvoy. was my response to someone who directed the question to someone not living in Conn. Odd.

the cop was posted there all day, and even had to stick around for after school functions. Her county may vary.

but more districts should consider it

I only know of the one that showed up after it was over.

at least in the larger towns

I haven't worked in the schools there in about 8 years so I don't know if they still do.

We did the whole bit of terror drills with the kids, but only told them they were fire/weather drills because we didn't want to scare them about terrorists. Yeah, even did the duct tape windows back then. Sad, very sad. One 1st grade girl figured it all out. "If we duct tape windows, how can we BREATHE?" Out of the mouths of babes.

We were about 30 miles from Ground Zero, and there families who lost relatives there.

and thus I can only wonder why you chose to present such falsehoods in public.

If you have to lie to even partake in a debate, you are doing it wrong.

nt

The only thing he could have done was shoot the guy holding loughner's gun. He didn't. He did the right thing.
The only other person with a gun on-site when the shooting started, was possibly Giffords herself, and the opening of hostilities was announced with a bullet through her head. Hardly favorable conditions for her to be returning fire.

They both have a right of self defense but are not obligated to jump into the fray.

The school is also a gun free zone. Legal gun owners were complying with the law. The laws prevented them from being there.

There's also been a number of cases where a legal gun owner jumped into a conflict and found themselves though morally correct, their ass was in deep legal trouble.

Every man, woman and child for themselves......that's what the gun clutching crowd wants you to believe.

More guns to protect us even if they do not.

It's RIDICULOUS to 'think' that having an armed CC on that property would have been enough to stop this. No, we all know that that property is too large.. So then we'd hear a whole new rant from these folks that EVERY teacher needs to have a gun rammed in their desk regardless of whether they want it or not...... And guess what....THAT will not prevent the carnage either and bring on even more problems. We'd just have to have more rules for the NRA to object to when a teacher pulls out a gun to discipline children. Crazy....yes...but that's the never ending world of the gun clutching crowd.

Are we really a society that wants guns in schools, churches, and bars. Not my America. Crazy. Truly crazy. It's a destructive culture of death, violence and greed.

• A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
• A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
• A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
• A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
• A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
• A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.
• A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.
• At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.

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"It's RIDICULOUS to 'think' that having an armed CC on that property would have been enough to stop this."

I posted similar situations when an armed individual DID stop the threat.

Clearly your original "point" is incorrect.

...except for the conceal carriers own claim, there is no evidence that the killer saw him. The concealed carrier DID NOT STOP the killer, he says himself that he watched the killer turn and go down the stairs. For all we know, the killer simply had done all he wanted, or perhaps was suddenly over whelmed with guilt.
BTW, the concealed carrier had a gun in a gun free mall and thus is himself a criminal and should be prosecuted.

was a "no guns" zone?

..because, you know, no guns means no safety.


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What if one of the teachers had a gun? One of them had 3, and they were used to murder 20 children!

...she had more than 3 and she wasn't a teacher, doncha?

Did you find out what they were? (With the exception of the last one, of course...)

The very first victim was armed to the teeth and it did nothing to save her life. Conversely, if she had NOT had those guns that her son killer her for, she, and probably all those kids, would still be alive. If he had to go a different, more difficult route to get the guns he would have to interact with more people who may have gotten suspicious and called someone, had the time to think it through and change his mind or not be able to get a gun at all.

We'll never know.

Of course, if she knew he was unstable and possibly dangerous (and from recent accounts, she did), why didn't she get him help? If he had been under proper care, perhaps he wouldn't have reached this point in the first place.

So many what-ifs and should-haves...and in the end, there are still 26 dead victims, 20 of who never had a chance to reach their full potential.

The murderer was in the main an adult. We don't know his mental condition, nor the family relationships. The narrative you describe is not at all convincing.

That, if she had no guns, he wouldn't have killed her to get them. At the very least being armed with multiple guns didn't help an iota in keeping her alive.

esp. in the rare circumstances where a son betrays a mother's trust.

there was one gunner who owned the guns but she got shot in the face with them.

very first question, "Where were the gunners" to stop the school murderer?"

My answer, she was shot in the face with her own gun. Your other questions? Not really important after that.