...the terror watch list kept me "safe" from flying with Senator Kennedy for a while.

What are we, Democrats?

Like I told someone else, one of my best teachers in high school was a NYC transplant that gave lectures on critical thinking, back when the taught such quaint things in the backwoods. You would have benefited from his class, I thought UK standards were higher than that. Seriously, a one source that is an advocacy group? One that has more felons per capita than the NRA has lunatics?

here is my favorites:

NRA has blood on it's hands. Nitpicking on the details excuses nothing. Why are you defending them? It's time to make a stand against this organization that spread fear and now the blood of children to promote it's evil agenda. The NRA is about GREED and FEAR, nothing else. All the rest is sugar coated bullshit.

And his hiding behind such gobbledygook might have given him some personal solace, but it didn't bring his daughter back. And his denial of the NRA's responsibility didn't help any of those kids in Sandy Hook.

That's why the skeetshooters of this world need to stand up against the assholes who are ruining gun ownership for everyone. Otherwise, everyone goes down.

some other forums, those skeet shooters are assholes and terrorists. It is like freeper left. Some of the same people were anti Mormon bigots during the election. Although I am not a Mormon, I was raised partly as one.
In some ways, this is more like 911 than either of the mass murders in the UK. The difference is where the assholes and bigots are. That is why I have to work at being civil at times to some individuals.

It's the old adage. If you can't take care of your own, others will do it for you.
This is the time for responsible gun owners to stand up against the NRA and the nutjobs and do a reality check. It's too late for "adjustment" laws, something is going to give very soon.
The fight is not with the banners right now, it is with those who want to remain gun owners and how to achieve that.

A few might be temporary outrage or soul searching. Something like this has an effect on everyones assumptions. Some react differently. It depends on how wedded they are to a specific ideology. I would like to think the other side would do the same someone with a gun saved a bunch of kids from a nut. Given the reaction to "antis" in many of the self defense postings, I doubt you would see an anti version Glassunion. I honestly think there would be the same "that awful vigilante" or "must have been a racist waiting to kill someone".

...is a vastly better way to prevent the ruining of gun ownership.

I think he makes a good start, but nothing like enough.

Better start would be why you give anything that 0.0001%'er says any weight? He's a wealthy egomaniac who enjoys having his personal army to protect him. Whatever his stance is on firearms, I oppose it. Just like I oppose his stance on Stop-and-Frisk. Telling you support him so unconditionally.

and he only scratches the surface. And we're still waiting for your suggestions.

Hell, read those by many other regulars since we are fairly consistent on commenting what is working (NICS), what doesn't work (AWB's, universal registration), and what is just plain ignorant (repealing the 2A, bans on all semi-autos, etc).

What you really mean is it's working for YOU!
I'm trying to figure out a way for a safer society without you losing your guns.

a MAIG press release. That was the source. That is all MAIG and Brady are about.

That's been really effective hasn't it?




In case you need this:

That's all you do. Times always change, but never how you think they will. I already own what I own and that's all there really is to it..

They respond to me. There is movement. People are listening and many are changing their minds. Unfortunately, the extremists who promote carrying guns all over the place have screwed it up for the rest. That's how the world works when the loonies take over the asylum. Better hunker down there

But I saw plenty of fathers and mothers buying firearms yesterday on my weekly trip to the range. Father's buying for their sons. Mothers buying for themselves. People who know that things like signs don't do a fucking thing to protect them.

Do they pay you to post this shit? Seriously, do you get paid to post NRA propaganda here, because I've never seen you post anything else?

I'm listening to this moron teacher from Texas on NPR right now who is selling the same propaganda and wants to arm teachers.

On a recent purchase I had the opportunity to donate an extra buck for the NRA. I left it blank.

Every handgun you buy and shoot supports their agenda. Don't talk about mourning dead children and shooting paper targets in the same breath please. It really is disgusting.

You have absolutely nothing left in this discussion. I'll mourn in my own way and say what I have to say. You don't like that? Tough.


Have a nice day...

I do think armed security is a good idea. IIRC, they do in Canada. I remember reading that the Philippines has or had armed teachers. Given every book store and restaurant I went to in the Philippines had armed rent a cops, wouldn't be surprised. Teachers? I wouldn't mandate it, a dedicated security force is better.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/12/17/county-police-chief-recommends-arming-school-personnel/

a day after such a tragedy. Wouldn't want to spoil your Saturday playing with your guns for a little introspection, would you? Shame on you! And shame on everyone else you saw at your range. Real classy!

Shame on you for wallowing. Like I said, some of us don't bury our heads in the sand, some of us will be better prepared than others, some of us wish it was the CT shooter that we were shooting holes into rather than a sheet of thick paper with colorful circles on it. You have ZERO say of how others choose to mourn....

Right?

along with a few others who fit the profile. I could be wrong. I think several have been kicked out over the last few days.
I can't be sure unless I see the paychecks, and some folk are just NRA dupes.

Personally, I don't differentiate. If it quacks and walks like a duck...

Instead I get by on my disability payments and hope they don't get taken away b
Y some sort of republican budget cut moves.

The same could be said about you being a paid shill for the Brady campaign but I don't go around accusing people on the Internet about wild conspiracies I know nothing about and of course we all know the Brady's have no money to do it. So I guess from now on you will be known as the Brady bunch shill because as you said, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Shame on the bunch of you.

Those who think signs and gun-free zones offer protection from deranged lunatics. Those who focus on firearms and not the piss-poor mental healthcare situation. Those who ignore the culture of stupidity, willful ignorance, and selfishness that have taken root. Those who choose to ignore a potential situation because "it isn't my problem" or "I don't have time" or "somebody else will handle it". EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SHOOTERS could have been stopped had someone, anyone, who knew them stepped up and said something. But no, that's too hard to do these days apparently. Blame the gun because a gun can't talk back.

I don't blame the guns, I blame the assholes who put them in circulation and those who carry them around spreading NRA fear and greed propaganda. You know, the shit you bought into and now peddle.
You're more interested in correcting people's definition of what is an assault rifle, or comparing killing tools with seat belts and fire extinguishers.

We can have a discussion on healthcare anytime you like, but not here and not now. Maybe you think these events are rare in the UK solely because of universal healthcare. It sure helps, but the lack of access helps a million times more.

You need to start thinking of solutions. Just saying.

I haven't bought into a damned thing. I'm not an NRA member (I don't even have to pay for a membership either). I don't deny reality like those that think like you do. I don't apologize for criminals. I don't bury my head and hope they go away. I take an active interest in protecting my life unlike you who just hopes for the best. Solutions? Completely alien concept to you. You have offered nothing. You are keyboard commando'ing your way through yet another tragedy and insulting along the way. I put my money where my mouth is. You do not.

You don't have to be a NRA member in order to buy into their propaganda.

You take an active interest in protecting YOUR life - EXACTLY!

That's your solution, protecting YOUR life and YOUR family and YOUR arsenal.

The whole country is in mourning and what do you do? Go buy more fucking guns.
That is FUCKING SICK!

...taking an active role rather than relying on ineffective laws. Being in the mindset of someone who is prepared for the worst and hopes for the best. Something you will NEVER understand. People are the solution, not laws and willing ignorance.

While the rest of us try to change the ineffective laws that you use to your own selfish advantage. You know nothing of my preparedness or my response to others in need. I am prepared for the worst every day. If I were not, I would not last a week in the environment I live in.
You are correct about one thing, though. It's about people, especially the children. Not just yours.

It's about me, my family, my friends. My attitude extends well beyond myself. You are going to change absolutely nothing because of the selfish idea behind laws that do nothing. I focus on laws that at least have the potential to work for EVERYONE.

Concealed carry is purely selfish. What changes do you support? What are your ideas for a solution? More guns? Please, let's hear your ideas.

claiming that obvious self defense cases were vigilantes looking for a fight.

Don't recall ever using the expression "looking for a fight".
I support SD and the use of a firearm to defend one's home. I do not support taking guns to the street. Those who do are a big part of the problem.

My wife has been a teacher for 31 years, all elementary education, grade 2-5 and she retired this year. She still subtitle teaches a few days a week for extra money since I am on disability and my income is fixed. She told me yesterday she wants a new gun she can conceal easier than the ones I own even though she knows she will not be able to carry it in the school. She will be able to lock it in the car on the street outside the school to give herself and her students a fighting chance if she might be able to get to it. I am tearing up as I type this because if I would be able to get to the school where my wife was at while something like one of these shootings was going on I would gladly give my life to try to stop something like what happened this last week.

No one knows how they would react in a situation like that, it is wired in our DNA. My son is a graduate of the US Naval Academy. A few years ago while he was a midshipman at the academy he and some of his friends were at a local Annapolis shopping mall and they were at the food court when shots were fired. Everyone went scrambling for cover but my son and his friends moved TOWARDS the gunfire, not away from it. The gunfire was between a gang banger and a secret service agent. The agent was wounded and the midshipmen were the first to tend to the agent.

I would hope I am of the same DNA as my son and would move towards the gunfire to help with the situation and not run from it. You never know until you are put in a situation like that.

I have been in such situations, when I had to move towards the danger and the threat. It is not always easy, but I found it was a natural response if someone else was in danger. It never occurred to me that my having a gun would've helped and it still doesn't. I'm not a brave person, but neither am I a coward and I believe handguns are often the tools of cowards. I enjoy shooting them, but would never stoop to the level of carrying one around, telling myself it is a "safety device".
I might feel differently if I were disabled or if I were a woman who felt vulnerable. Stay safe.

More guns on the street, is that it?

You know there are SO many people that want gun control but only 4.5 million NRA members.

And find some of their board members disgusting.