*shrug*

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If we could focus on that rather than rifles with modern grips, we would make progress.

...as long as you're not hunting.


You can hunt with an AR-15 or AK-47ish rifle, as long as the detachable magazines you have for it are 5 rounds or less.


Once you're home, feel free to slap in a 30-rounder.

I knew that about Wyoming when LBJ was president.
If your target is paper, so what?
The other is a little more complex

I'm guessing you read you Maine hunting regulations? Did you fill your freezer while sticking it to the corporate feedlot industry?

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I said doesn't matter.

Have squirrels ever stolen a car and done a drive by shooting?

Hunting and self defense are two totally different things.

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An AR15 is a formidable fighting gun and is ideal for self defense. I can't really think of any other use for one.

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According to the Book of Gun Nuttery - two wrongs DO make a right.

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or fend him off with a chair.

You cannot order dynamite mail order.

There are no Dynamite Shows.

There are no Dynamite Shops.

There is no sickfuck "Dynamite CULTure"

Gun Massacre Kookery Fail.

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just asking

duh

isn't.

what's your point?

Massacre apologist fail again.

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You being an expert and all I'm interested in your opinion.

that is all the Deefense you need.

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What makes a good 12 gauge pump gun suitable for self defense? Why are the police transitioning away from shotguns as issued long arms in their cruisers in favor of AR15's?

my understanding is that Hollywood shootout showed pistols and shotguns lacked the range compared to their converted AKs.
Why LAPD SWAT didn't just send someone on a roof with the bolt action, escapes me.

I'm just curious about the reasoning behind what some of the experts on this board advocate.

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That's your reply to what is going to be serious political issue in 2013?

makes a noise no burglar wants to hear.

Buckshot won't go through yer neighbor's nursery room walls.

Toddlers can't lift a full sized duck gun - and kids can't conceal them in their backpacks to take them to school on the bus.

Criminals can hide them in their wasitbands.

Common sense.

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00 buck will penetrate at least four walls fairly easily. [link]http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm[/link]

Oh, and as someone who regularly trains and qualifies with a fighting shotgun I can assure you it's not "point and shoot" unless you don't really care what you're shooting. The point and shoot thing is a common misconception among people who have never held, much less fired, a shotgun. The shotgun is a great weapon, but it's not exactly the ideal choice for everyone if one takes the time to think about it.

5.56 frangible ammo, which is what the police use, is highly accurate and does not over penetrate. It is also useful for preventing ricochets, which is a serious concern in police work. The low recoil also keeps you on target for subsequent shots so there's a lot less chance of putting a round in an unintended place.

Both the shotgun and the AR have a place in home defense depending on the environment where it's most likely going to be used.

Number 6 bird shot trumps gun nut frangible rounds in the collateral damage dept.

Duck guns makes a poor choice for mass murderers but a good choice for self defense.

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You make the assertion but you fail to bring any facts to the table.

Oh, and what is #6 shot?

apparently not.

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An experienced shotgunner may use one, but for new shooters, its the semi auto handgun that most instructors teach since it is the most effective, hands down.

Like others, you have no idea how dangerous and far 00 buck goes.


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What a stupid post.

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Smoked the first bird up.

No class required.

Try that with a first time pistol shooter.

Reality fail.

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And it has nothing to do with penetration of shot shells

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You know nothing about guns, do you?

about guns.

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Let's give our two contestants 30 rounds to fire as fast as they can go.

AR15 with a 30 round clip - 30 seconds - Bang Bang Bang Wolverines!!!111

Shotgunnut fires 5 rounds in 15 seconds - has to reload.

Must invert gun to slip 4 shells into the tube.

Must jack 1 shell into the chamber.

Then slip another round into the tube.

This takes 15 - 20 seconds

30+ seconds total and shotgunnut still has 4 more cycles to get to 30 rounds.

During the reloading process, potential victims run away or overpower the gun nut douchebag.

AR15 wins the Wayne LaPierre massacre competition bloody hands down.

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Not surprised.

and gun massacre wannabes

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before they can discuss gun control policy?

The Gun Nut Kookery is in Full Cry today.

indeed

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