Gun Control & RKBA

Ter

(4,281 posts) Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:47 PM Dec 2012

For all those who care about the poor

Where is the "poll tax" outrage on NYC's gun application fees? It cost $340 to apply, and $91.50 for the fingerprint fee. How is this possible? How is this discriminatory law still standing? Has it been challenged?

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For all those who care about the poor (Original Post) Ter Dec 2012 OP

Now you're gonna get it from our resident Bloomie worshipper, any minute now ... N/T DonP Dec 2012 #1

5...4...3...2...1... Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #2

Apparently, nobody cares Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #3

Expect posts from those calling for higher taxes on all things firearms while posting jody Dec 2012 #4

In NYC there are two classes of citizens. The rich and the poor. ... spin Dec 2012 #5

I think it is more classist than racist gejohnston Dec 2012 #7

The 1% probably would like to limit gun ownership to their group. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #8

given the number of conservative 1 percenters that are "anti gun" gejohnston Dec 2012 #10

Stallone is not anti-gun for the poor Ter Dec 2012 #11

since Trump, like the publisher of the NYT gejohnston Dec 2012 #12

My guess: Anyone who can't afford the fees can't afford a lawsuit against the state. PavePusher Dec 2012 #6

That's why several states are discouraging Illinois from appealing the CCW decision DonP Dec 2012 #9

It should be $10 a round additional, maybe you folks wouldn't buy a gazillion unneeded rounds... DainBramaged Dec 2012 #13

The better off gun owners can subsidize the lower income gun owners Kaleva Dec 2012 #14

DonP

(6,185 posts)

1. Now you're gonna get it from our resident Bloomie worshipper, any minute now ... N/T

Reply to Ter (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:50 PM

Dec 2012

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)

2. 5...4...3...2...1...

Reply to DonP (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:57 PM

Dec 2012

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Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)

3. Apparently, nobody cares

Reply to Ter (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:57 PM

Dec 2012

I've heard many people on this site that want to tax guns and ammo out of existence. So if you are rich, its fine, but if you are poor tough luck.

jody

(26,624 posts)

4. Expect posts from those calling for higher taxes on all things firearms while posting

Reply to Ter (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:03 PM

Dec 2012

elsewhere against free voter ID laws.

spin

(17,493 posts)

5. In NYC there are two classes of citizens. The rich and the poor. ...

Reply to Ter (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:16 PM

Dec 2012

The poor are considered to lack the responsibility required to own or carry a firearm.

It is also possible that the gun control laws in NYC are a disguised form of racism.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

7. I think it is more classist than racist

Reply to spin (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:27 PM

Dec 2012

unless they discriminate against wealthy blacks, which wouldn't surprise me about NYC either.

spin

(17,493 posts)

8. The 1% probably would like to limit gun ownership to their group. (n/t)

Reply to gejohnston (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:39 PM

Dec 2012

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

10. given the number of conservative 1 percenters that are "anti gun"

Reply to spin (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:49 PM

Dec 2012

like Trump and Stallone, yeah I think so.

Ter

(4,281 posts)

11. Stallone is not anti-gun for the poor

Reply to gejohnston (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:58 PM

Dec 2012

No idea about Trump, however.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

12. since Trump, like the publisher of the NYT

Reply to Ter (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 03:10 PM

Dec 2012

have NYC concealed carry permits, I would say he is. Or just a hypocrite. That is how I view rich people who are anti gun but pay people to carry guns for them. Don't like my target pistol or hunting rifle, lose the bodyguard.

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)

6. My guess: Anyone who can't afford the fees can't afford a lawsuit against the state.

Reply to Ter (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:25 PM

Dec 2012

However, I think the SAF has made some rumblings in this direction, if some of their other efforts don't pan out. Keep an eye on them, they're the most effective pro-2A litigators in history.

DonP

(6,185 posts)

9. That's why several states are discouraging Illinois from appealing the CCW decision

Reply to PavePusher (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:46 PM

Dec 2012

NY, California and a few others have already contacted Lisa Madigan, Illinois AG, and are encouraging her NOT to appeal the recent appellate court decision insisting on a CCW for Illinois. Rahm is trying to get her to appeal and hoping for an extended court process to delay the inevitable.

If it reaches SCOTUS, which it probably would, the "May Issue" states are seriously concerned that the issue of obvious discrimination in May Issue CCW issuance may get it thrown out as unconstitutional.

Either way, the clock is ticking. Illinois has 180 days from December 10th (IIRC) to pass and install a CCW law or we revert to Constitutional Carry. I don't see our resident political characters missing out on the revenue from CC permits so we'll have something and our Downstate Dems are leaning heavily to a Shall Issue model.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)

13. It should be $10 a round additional, maybe you folks wouldn't buy a gazillion unneeded rounds...

Reply to Ter (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:43 PM

Dec 2012

have a nice night.

Kaleva

(36,483 posts)

14. The better off gun owners can subsidize the lower income gun owners

Reply to Ter (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:52 PM

Dec 2012

Higher fees and taxes to could go to lower the fees for the poor. Maybe even subsidize the price of guns and ammo. Heck, I'd be thrilled to get a new gun if the rest of you paid for it!

In reality, I wouldn't accept such a thing as I really don't need a firearm. Just as I turned down new windows and doors for my place offered by the local community action. I can pay for that myself over a period of a couple of years if I really watch what I spend my money on and budget about $100 a month for that.

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