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Related: About this forumScary Flashes of Iraq and Afghanistan Wars in the LAPD's Manhunt for Chris Dorner
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/joshua-holland/48020/scary-flashes-of-iraq-and-afghanistan-wars-in-the-lapds-manhunt-for-chris-dornerScary Flashes of Iraq and Afghanistan Wars in the LAPD's Manhunt for Chris Dorner
by Joshua Holland | February 9, 2013 - 11:33am
from Alternet
On Thursday, police hunting for Chris Dorner, a veteran and former LAPD officer who allegedly launched a killing spree on Sunday, opened fire on a blue pickup truck driving without its headlights in the early morning hours. Two short Latina women delivering newspapers 71-year-old Emma Hernandez and her 47-year-old daughter, Margie Carranza were hit in the hail of gunfire. Hernandez was shot twice in the back and is in intensive care as of this writing.
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The first thought that came to my mind when I read about these incidents was that they reminded me of the accounts veterans returning from Iraq shared with me about what it was like manning check-points in Baghdad.
Our wars always come home to us. That's been notably apparent in recent weeks. First, Eddie Ray Routh, an Iraq vet who was suffering from PTSD allegedly gunned down famed American Sniper Chris Kyle. (Kyle was lauded as a hero despite writing that, our ROEs [rules of engagement]... were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and theyre male, shoot em. Kill every male you see." Then, this week, Dorner allegedly went bonkers.
It's important not to demonize military vets as crazy and dangerous that kind of stigma results in veterans who end up in the criminal justice system getting two more years in jail, on average, than non-veterans convicted of the same offense. But the reality is that we've seen a number of similar incidents in recent years: an Iraq war vet was accused of killing six people in Orange County last March; that same month, another killed his 11-year-old sister before turning his gun on himself; and another killed a park ranger in Washington last January.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Police in LA are acting like we did in Iraq - putting force protection above all in every instance. When in doubt, shoot it.
I understand the importance of not trying to demonize military vets as crazy and dangerous, but I think some of them are - and we made them that way.
you grow up with a certain sense of right and wrong. Then, you find yourself in a situation where you are told that doing what you always thought of as being wrong is right it confuses the hell out of you and messes with your morals. I'm not doubting that I'm definitely warped and crazy, but one of the things that bothered me the most about Iraq and my first firefight is I learned just how easy it was to shoot someone. I expected it to somehow feel more significant or to be harder to carry through, but it was startlingly easy. I also developed a nifty sense of complete disregard for my own safety. I got to a point where I didn't care if I lived or didn't. I wasn't looking to commit suicide, but I didn't care if I made it home or not. Actually, I probably would have preferred to not make it home (especially after returning to my childhood home for two weeks in the middle of my deployment but that is a different story altogether). You mix the blatant disregard for self with the realization that killing is easy and you could easily have a dangerous mix.
At points the only thing that keeps me chugging along are my kids who would be absolutely devastated if I wasn't around.