For cathartic purposes I type responses, truth, to posts like yours as you give me hope, then I delete them before certain people can see them, tis the only way to be safe.

I am tired of walking on egg shells to avoid offending those who are promoting injustice however. I am more than willing to risk a hide to say what I feel needs to be said.

Or imply that the police might have been behind the destruction in Ferguson..

oops, here it comes

Alert all they want. Truth matters!

Thank you Bjorn!

Kick

And if I may borrow a phrase from another poster, they are shit stains on society and DU.

At least I wish I could if it were possible.

they would be banned from DU.

And make no mistake about it Zimmerman is a murderer, a bad jury decision does not change that.

they haven't been yet.... ..

They're all over us. Some new posters, some established.

They phrase it as if they're trying to be open-minded, but that mind is always made-up in favor of the killers.

It is a stain on DU that some of these people are allowed to remain and continue posting.

Could not agree more. Every time a black person is murdered and that murder is not prosecuted as such, I call that a lynching, and there is NO way to justify tolerating lynching. Could it be more clear? Damn, I am so tired of all this needless death. I am for ZERO tolerance. It is a national crisis and a stain on this country that absolutely must be rectified, just as much as slavery and Jim Crow were, and this godforsaken torture business done in our name.

Racism is a human rights violation IMO. There are individual racists, yes, but it's tolerated at a societal level--it's a societal disease. The only cure is bright, bright sunlight right on it and full acknowledgment of white responsibility not "I'm not the racist" or the contortions used to justify institutionialized and/or individual racism.

Or the cringeworthy, execrable "reverse racism" bullshit.

Do you respond better to respectful speech or disrespectful speech?

I just had to say that before you are rightfully banned for your racist posts.

has arrived!!!! Don't sweat them. They get their jollies being stupidly engaging. They want to see what trouble and dissension they can cause. THEY ARE VERY MINUSCULE people with minds to match. Let them be who they are, it's the only way they can get recognition even if it is negative.

I was glad to have the opportunity to tell that person what I thought of them before their departure.

I know the racists like to refer to it as "justifiable homicide" but there is nothing justifiable about it. In generations past the racists also referred to lynching as "justifiable homicide" but it was murder, and the Zimmerman defenders of today are every bit as racist as the lynching defenders of the past.

it is SICKENING

It's bad enough that those opinions show up in GD but it's disgusting in AA.
This isn't a game or glib banter. This is about poc being killed and the murderers in plain view getting away with it. and then the detached smirking that follows. Disgusting.

I agree with what you are saying, but rather than get upset about the accusation of being a Social Justice Warrior I embrace it.

Fighting for social justice is something to be proud of, and I will not let them shame me with a term that should be viewed in a positive way.

I agree that Freshwest's phrase "trickle down justice" is brilliant.

You may silence some very important voices here!

Sigh~

Keep it up. Good job. Damn good job.

But where was Trayvon Martins due process? Vonderrit Meyers? Eric Garners? Chris Dorners? Tamir Rices? All people executed with no "due process".

Chris Dorner? He wrote a manifesto and then hunted people's families

Captured.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion though

I do not want to read their hateful and ignorant posts.

However, I fear they will remain quiet and sneak their hate into other venues while lurking here and twisting what is said by actual decent human beings. It is just a thought.

I agree 100 percent with this post. Thank you for stating the problem with such clarity and eloquence.

Defending the murder of anyone is a horrible thing to do.

But when folks like Jimmy Carter say that they believe the jury "made the right decision based on the evidence presented", that's not really "defending murder", is it?

He was defending the court system, he was not justifying Zimmerman's actions. I personally believe our legal system is filled with injustice and needs to be changed but I don't view everyone who defends it as a racist.

Those who justify Zimmerman's action and demonize Trayvon Martin on the other hand, they are racists who are defending murder. They are disgusting people who need to be shunned.

Almost as if you didnt hear or see the AfAm members expressing their disgust with people who would make any argument defending same...

So were Eric Garner or Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin or Jordan Davis or John Crawford (Target) murdered?

Any of them?

Were there any "good shootings" on this list?

I am asking you since you are the one who went out of your way to post something that made me think your answer to this question would be maybe the most interesting...

Or I could make sure there is NO chance of getting a "hide" today and I could just ignore your comment, but I am not going to do that, today.

There is a big difference between "defending the murder" of someone and understanding how, given the witness testimony and forensic evidence, that the jury could not conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was guilty of murder.

As another example, most people believe that OJ Simpson murdered Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, but many of us also believe that the presence of the racist cop Mark Furhman on the investigation team introduced enough reasonable doubt to justify the "not guilty" verdict. Does this mean that we are "defending the murders" of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman? Of course not.

Benjamin Franklin stated that "it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer". And yes, it is frustrating to see people like George Zimmerman and OJ Simpson escape justice. But such frustrations are inevitable given the requirement in our legal system to prove the guilt of a defendant beyond a reasonable doubt.

And there is no need to be concerned about getting a "hide"; your posts have been most civil.

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130. No one is asking for Federal Charges for murder

"Reasonable" is not necessarily a universal concept.

Black communities and white communities have very different experiences with police forces, and "reasonable" is based on what has happened in their life experience.

Different juries might arrive at different verdicts, and every lawyer out there knows that, which is powerful motivation in many lawsuits, particularly civil suits, to settle outside of court.

The idea that there is some sense of perfection in our justice system is farcical, given how many spend years in prisons, large chunks of their lives gone, through erroneous sentences. Don't give it credit where credit is not due. The possibility of huge error must give us all pause.

Please stay on topic on this thread, but to answer your question I have indeed taken a strong stand against torturers. Here is my proof:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024837671

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