I added a fifth alternative.

they look to events like Charleston for their potential as the trigger for that war.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026864997

Sorry - I don't do soft walking around the hardcore truth.

Don't they realize that we're not going to fight back? You can't have a war unless there are two sides fighting. If only one side fights, it's just a massacre.

Then again, maybe you know something I don't know.

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Seriously - this has been going on for some time. Obama as president confirmed to them that the war is coming.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026864997

The monied class just wants to make more money and they don't care where the money comes from or even who it goes to as long as they get the most of it. The last thing the monied class wants is chaos.

It nearly changed when Obama was elected. I hoped tht I was the one who behind the times, that the nightmares I grew up with were no longer the truth, that I was old and fearful and my views were paranoid and it was time to put them aside. I've read the words of JAG or bravenak, and think change has come quietly and out of sight, but it has.

In the days after I quit crying and left my house after Obama was elected, I saw hope in the black faces that surrounded me. They looked at all the white strangers as if they had been validated. It was like a new world. Actually, in my area this has not ended, there is much more solidarity now than there was before. It is all working its way out.

And then it came, wave after wave, the same hatred I knew, but so much worse as people have had time to see that it was wrong and it was pouring down again and again. Until it was a bitter taste in my mouth and my mind. And I'm not even black. I've defended our president against all takers, and not just because of the man that he is or his color, but partly for both. It was for the nation's soul and it best ideals that I was defending. That he believes in.

Looking back over the last half dozen years or so, I cannot say I am unsurprised, so I picked your additional option. We are media sensitive here. It shapes our view of the world, each other and our own selves. And the pattern repeats. Here are a few quotes:

There is no present or future, only the past, happening over and over again, now.

~ Eugene O'Neill

To be hopeful in bad times is not just foolishly romantic. It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness. What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives.

If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places - and there are so many - where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction.

And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand Utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.

~ Howard Zinn

OTOH, some of the things I've seen posted here such as the hate regarding ProSense, I feel this:

A chat with you and somehow death loses its sting.

~ Black Adder

I hope I am wrong.

We are a rotten bunch!

It's not surprising. It is dangerous to be black in America. America is racist. It was only a matter of time. All people of color risk being attacked simply for existing. I think African-Americans, in particular, live with this risk at a much higher rate. America has hate groups all over. I live with it, in the sense I live around a lot of racism. I'm in rural Louisiana.

I went with one.

In all the years I went to church with my parents, I never had a fear of being gunned down. This is horrible and outrageous. It's racism, pure and simple. This country has so much to do.

Back in 2008 - one of our churches in TN had a shooting incident. Foaming at the mouth anti everything idiot. The church I joined the UU philosophy with had a rainbow flag ripped down Rochester NY.

As a black person - I remain shocked.

As a UU - my heart breaks - because AME is not agitating anyone. As a UU - our core beliefs are offensive to radical religions (all judo Christian based). Go back 300 years - radical ideas.

Those people having a circle on Wednesday evening - just based on prayer - was not hurting anyone. Nothing political about that.


And still - they were harmed.

needs to be statistically codified, if I'm correct in my usage.

"news" people and politicians that won't even acknowledge that this was a racist attack, instead calling it an attack on "Christians."

And I am straight up confused by this imbecile who carried out his attack claiming that the victims were "raping our women" and "taking over" but went into that church and slaughtered a bunch of black WOMEN. Did he think that black women were "raping" his precious white women??? Or was he just so busy shooting at everything in that church that he couldn't be bothered to even hit the targets that his diseased mind told him was the real threat?

I read his little manifesto online. I've stayed away from DU because I learned a long time ago that this is the LAST PLACE ON THE INTERNET (after Yahoo!) to discuss race matters. The other web sites I've been on have been able to have really deep, in depth conversations about this and that's where I read his little manifesto.

His comments about black people were the kind of shit you hear every day. "Stupid, violent" blah blah bullshit. The thing that really stood out to me was his comments about Hispanics (especially the ones in Latin America) basically being "okay" because most of their elites are white and they respect whiteness and "white beauty." If I worked at a media outlet or a political organization in Latin America these comments would be a wake up call and I'd be hiring every single black/brown person that walked by me on the street.

You were a bit quiet at the end of the week.

My husband heard the 'raping our women' thing and he went ballistic - because it was the opposite.

through the roof. Did you see bigtree's thread and the responses he got for DARING to discuss Sanders comments on race? I was absolutely livid.

We have lost so many black posters over the years. And I know it doesn't come as any surprise to anyone but sometimes, I am just FLOORED by the open hostility and damn near dislike towards us, unless we're one of the tiny minority within the minority that tows the line, of course. DU is like the reddest of Red State America in that regard.

I don't care about most of these people so I try not to take it personally but there are times when I just find myself losing it.

He killed a state senator - a strike against the government and political freedom.

He killed an unarmed group who did him no harm, and were at their most vulnerable place, physially and emotionally. Where they expresses the highest and most creative of all human acts, that of Love.

He did not do it because he was deprived, starving, oppressed or without hope. Drugs were not part of it. It wasn't class warfare. It was race war.

But no one will call it by its proper name. Are they afraid or are they complicit?

It should be said everytime this is brought up, everywhere. And would be, if the MSM itself was not a purveyor of racism.

Sorry, I probably shouldn't even butt into this thread. Nothing I say solves anything, I guess.

But I am sorry about this latest outrage committed against the black community.