apparently on DU, as well. Some black profiteers in Africa does not equate to full-scale slavery policies of a nation that was supposed to have been founded on the basis of individual freedom.

Bad jury decision to let it stand. I would appreciate it if people could continue to make an issue of this poster. It's outrageous that this is allowed to stand here.

Not "admins," "owners."

Not being snarky - as I understand it, that's the literal truth.

Not objecting to owners of a website - just pointing out the literal truth.

he/she is not a rightwinger ... just a good liberal using slavery apologist arguments because Economics!!! (The under-lying sentiment is merely the market-based, "if they hadn't supplied the goods, there would not have been a market", argument.

I wonder why that argument never arises in discussions of gun dealer/gun manufacturer liability.

I've often gotten a lot of pushback. This is merely one example among the very long list of racist transgressions committed by so-called "well meaning" white liberals.

Sigh...

And, it would best be fair by using the word SOME, not 'the'. Stereotyping ALL to describe some is not in my How to Be a Human Being playbook.

I was assigned to read "The Ballot or the Bullet" in 1992, and I was gobsmacked, to say the least. I cannot overstate my appreciation of people who are willing to put themselves out there to that extent. If I weren't an atheist, I'd say God bless them. May whatever God they believe in bless them.

This is the quote I was thinking about a few days, ago.

You may have seen the OP that had been posted with a quote attributed to Malcolm X: "Capitalism cannot survive without racism."

Now, I grew up listening to and reading Malcolm X, and I heard never heard that particular quote so I went back and attempted to research it's origin ... not that I didn't believe that he said it; but, I wanted to see the context of the quote because I knew Malcolm to be a strong capitalist ... maybe, I had missed an important transition.

Well ... every place that had the quote lacked the date and place of the statement. I finally, traced it to a socialism group that had him saying it "to a group of students in England in 1964" and/or in an interview with that group (again, with neither being dated or containing the wider text/context) and the group was using the quote to market socialism to the Black community (propaganda(?) at organizing events.

When I presented my results to the person, he could only point to a wikiquote citation attributing the quote to "Malcolm X Speaks". I had found this early in my search and it lead back to the same socialist group. When I present this to the OP, he said "So what if the quote turned out to be fake" it is still a true statement and began lecturing me on Malcolm X and asked me why I had such a distrust of liberals (while giving the oligarchs a pass - as institutionalized racism only helps "the oligarchs&quot ... Well, I don't give "the oligarchs" a pass ... and institutional racism may help the oligarchs; but, it definitely benefits the working class white person, as well ... and, Brother Malcolm had definite thoughts on liberals - thoughts that have bared out in my personal experience. So I posted to him the "Chickens coming home to roost" quote.

Our discussion ended with him saying "a lot more white people have been hurt by institutional racism than helped by it." I ended the discussion when I recognized the irony of that response.
AND

someone says that correctly attributing a quote and putting it in context don't matter. I've had that argument quite a few times.

Imagine "You Can’t Believe Most of the Quotes You Read On the Internet” -Abraham Lincoln", going unquestioned, and taken seriously.

But I find this conduct to be particularly repugnant, when one takes a "sketchy" quote, attributes it to a respected Black leader (who I strongly suspect, they do not support, or agree with, anything he says, beyond that sketchy quote) ... and builds an entire argument around that sketchy quote to advance to Black people.

It is manipulative and, deliberatively, intellectually dishonest.

But I guess all is fair in love, war, and internet discussions.

Not any REAL liberal at this forum, white or otherwise. Consistently posting RW defense and apologia here does not earn one the description of 'well-meaning white liberal'.

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I have seen that comment hidden too.

White privilege still exists which MEANS all white americans are racist.

If one thinks this thru, one will understand.

Now, saying that we are all guilty in one way or another is very different from talking about liberal whites who are racist outside of this construct.

Yes, we have lots of white liberal racists on DU and in general who unlike someone like myself, is actually overtly being racist while pretending they dont understand what that means.

Racism is a white problem, it is a huge problem, and we are still not resolving it fast enough.

oh, and p.s.

Malcolm X was one smart dude

There ya go. (Said the old white lady.)

be suspicious of motives. I have never read anything truly liberal or enlightened from this poster, and, imo, she/he has a tendency to jump in with the same type apologia or defense for GOP policies and leaders.

You can not sell what you do not own.

and they do share a hell of a lot of the blame. But trying to equate their role with those of the slave traders and owners is just a blatant attempt to absolve responsibility.

Tried to find the housetop on the tablet keyboard, failed.

What I was try to collect my thoughts to say as my jaw hit the floor.

But the usual flies on Minny's chocolate pie appear almost on cue.

Lil comraderie among comrades I suppose.

And regularly shows up in threads about race to argue black people have no clue what they are feeling, thinking or talking about.

Will now.

and very sly usually. today was very blatant. CD has checked the poster more than once.

You can't tell people how to feel. Well, you *can*, but doing so is stupid.

And then accused of alert trolling when I alerted on a second post by this fraud in the same thread...and the second post was upheld unanimously. I don't give a shit about not being able to alert for a day because I rarely do but this jury system is seriously broken when this kind of shit is allowed to stand and people that try to say something about it are the ones who get the blowback.

after people had explained how the first thing was bs . yet every single person voted to leave it.

Sometimes they are there in bright red font and other times missing.

Something along the lines of not giving a pissy, harsh or really ripe condescending comment as your explanation of your decision.

I've left my explanations blank because of it even if the alerter/alert is FOS.

Just curious......

No, I know you are not. Are the wheels coming off.....?

And also pay closer attention to which forum it occurs in.

Nope, not kidding. Blank jury explanations from me from now on.

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They're trying to automate as much as possible, it would appear. Well, not automate, exactly. Monitor? Either one's appropriateness and utility depends on the context, of course.

Well, as you said, this one is easy to deal with.

Anyway, it's bed and I wanna go to tired. I had a little hour about a drink ago, and it went right to my head.

Just putting in the post that there were two replies as I was slowly editing this on the tablet, but I don't think it made any substantive difference.

Night again.

calmly and eloquently put your words to keyboard without your cheese falling off the cracker due to severe kneejerkitis, best to leave it blank.

Safer that way........bad side is the alerter never gets to hear just how asinine and FOS an alert is and how it's wasting valuable time which could be spent trapping real trolls or hiding legitimately horrible, hateful, bad behaviors.

Love it. Will attempt to remember, as I expect to find it useful in the future.

I thought this was the rule anyway, but upon further review, the alert can be alerted on and not the comments.

Hmmm.. I certainly have a theory, but I'm gonna keep my fingers still for now.

whatever. it is what it is.

btw, alert was for GD: Primaries

Here's someone asking about it in ATA. You can alert on the alert, but you can also alert on the comments, it is just the same button, but you need to be clear which comment you are addressing. I have done it many times.

I guess the ability to alert on whatever is typed makes sense.

This is not a perfect site, but it's the best I've found, as evidenced by the fact that I keep coming back.

Much appreciated

1. Don't try to make sense or consistency out of the jury system -- I stopped trying years ago...

2. Please refrain from posting complaint threads about jury decisions in this forum -- From now on, direct them here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

It is a name that the poster absolutely has earned and deserves.

May I link to the original comment in the Bernie Sanders Group so they can see what happened? I want to invite anyone in that group who wants to engage in inflammatory, racist bullshit anywhere on DU, to get the fuck out of the Bernie Group.

I don't want to see you targeted.

because of these two phenomena happening concurrently. On the one hand, I am heavily involved in working for Bernie and getting a lot of joy out of that. On the other hand, I am getting more and more raw about the police murders, the massacre, and the white terrorism which seems to go on and on. I think the president and Holder did a good job in working on Ferguson, but the problem is so vast and historically rooted that I don't know how much they can do.

I do have some hope that if Bernie gets the revolution he is calling for, i.e. the people electing more progressives and marching on Washington after he is elected, that he can advance the work of the current DOJ and hopefully a federal initiative for citizen review boards across the country. He wants community policing and more PoC officers. But none of that helps our current crisis. The only thing I can think of is hitting the streets with more protests to facilitate pressure to help Obama and the new DOJ head, and hopefully some action in local communities

But just had to vent. I have been trying to be a respectful lurker here, because this needs to be a DU safe haven for black folks, imo. So I will take my own advice and shut the f*** up!

But in my town - we are taking our government back in 2016.

Whether it's O'Malley, Sanders, Clinton -

We need to push from the bottom up. Had a meeting ths afternoon with our local police and other citizens for a citizens review board. Concept - as we saw here a few months ago - our tiny little PD protects our brown kids in our majority white borough. How do we support them? How do me our PD the gold standard in NJ?

School board, town council, environmental leader, town communications position, etc etc

We have to stop the uncivil in our government from the bottom up! You are a Sanders supporter -

It's 2017 - he's in the WH - battling the House and the Senate -

What can we do in the burgs ad boroughs to battle from the bottom up?

midwestern college town, as well as school board and a neighboring US house seat we will try to get. Our police aren't as bad as most, but we have definitely had trouble with the native kids who go to an Indian school here. One native family called 9-11 because their son was drunk and suicidal. The cops showed up and killed him.

Im sorry she's poor/middle class but I'm not going to lift a finger to help her /him eveeeer unless I'm forced to via taxes.

She/he can eat cake when they are down on their luck.

See - it's all tit for tat in the end.

Search that poster posts and Trayvon or the word Ferguson.

That's someone who makes me want to be Republican - if indeed that is Democratic - just so I can inflict pain financially.