African American
Related: About this forum"The Economist's review of my book reveals how white people still refuse to believe black people
...black people about being black"
Edward E Baptist
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/07/economist-review-my-book-slavery?CMP=share_btn_fb
In 1845, Frederick Douglass, a fugitive from slavery, joined dozens of white passengers on the British ship Cambria in New York harbor. Somewhere out on the Atlantic, the other passengers discovered that the African American activist in their midst had just published a sensational autobiography. They convinced the captain to host a sort of salon, wherein Douglass would tell them his life story. But when the young black man stood up to talk, a group of Southern slaveholders, on their way to Britain for vacation or business or both, confronted him. Every time Douglass said something about what it was like to be enslaved, they shouted him down: Lies! Lies! Slaves were treated well, insisted the slaveholders; after all, they said, the masters remained financially interested in the health of their human property.
In a review of my book about slavery and capitalism published the other day, the Economist treated it the same way that the tourist enslavers treated the testimony of Frederick Douglass on that slave-era ship long ago. In doing so, the Economist revealed just how many white people remain reluctant to believe black people about the experience of being black.
Apparently, I shouldnt have focused my historical research on how some people lived off the uncompensated sweat of their valuable property, the magazines anonymous reviewer wrote: Almost all the blacks in his book are victims, almost all the whites villains. Worst of all, this book reviewer went on, I had, by putting the testimony of a few slaves at the heart of book about slavery, somehow abandoned objectivity for advocacy.
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But the Economist didnt apologize for dismissing what slaves said about slavery. That kind of arrogance remains part of a wider, more subtle pattern in how black testimony often gets treated sometimes unknowingly as less reliable than white. The Economist reviewer was saying that the key sources of my book, African Americans black people cannot be believed.
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The now withdrawn review that the Economist is only keeping on one page: http://www.economist.com/news/books/21615864-how-slaves-built-american-capitalism-blood-cotton
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...of being a slave had to be. I also believe that there are many white and other races in the general populace either don't understand the black plight (s) or else don't give a shit. It's going to take a few more generations to make things a LOT better.
Your thoughts on the matter may very well be different.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I think many white people don't believe Blacks about the experience of being Black, and not just about the history of slavery, which is just one huge glaring example.
The Economist isn't the "general populace," it's a respected magazine which gave racism a platform. I don't think a few more generations matter one way or another. Are you suggesting we just wait for racism to sort itself out?
It's not really about DU and everyone on this forum, I'm not sure why that needed to be clarified as the immediate response. That seems overly defensive.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)I wouldn't wait but I would also be aware that it's going to take many years to truly make the changes you expect. We are made to be suspicious of the other tribes...even after all these 100's of thousands of years. It's inbred in most of us.
You have to eat, sleep and make many friends with the other tribe until you feel comfortable around all of them.
You're asking to change human evolution and I'm not sure that it can be changed in such a short time. I'm fortunate. I've played with blacks, yellow or whatever during my time at CBS and on the road with bands. Many people simply don't have or had that type of interactions. ...and think about this> Even with all the interactions (Playing, riding on the bus for hours, hanging around, joking around..etc) I'm STILL not sure I understand what the hell is going on. What does that say about the people who have had little interactions with blacks. I-don't-know.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)As I was searching for something to write about, I came across an extremely important topic in an article called Childrens Perceptions of Race & Friendship on the sociological images blog site. Attached to the article is a CNN study video on how kids perceive race and friendship at an age as young as six. The study is raw but very insightful on how kids are growing up in the 21st century.
As you being to watch the video, it states that the study is represented by 145 kids at six different schools across three different states. The tested kids had three different racial make ups with the majority of white Americans and black Americans and also racial diverse. It is evident that the kids pick up their social patterns from the adults they spend majority of time with. Its unfortunate but not surprising on the results that come up from the study. By the age of six, these kids are highly aware of race and have began to form there own ideas, stemming from how they see these adults feel and perceive about race in there own surroundings. The research shows that overall, young white Americans are far more negative about interaction with the races, then are black Americans.
Parents might not be telling there kids to grow up being racist, but the subtle messages do have a big impact on them growing up. Its not only just the parents, its the messages they see on tv and also online. Kids pick on too much nowadays, and whatever they pick up stays within in them for a long time.
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noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)discounting of experience, competence, knowledge, truthfulness, etc. i most certainly have. a friend of mine puts it this way: white people are not used to hearing about the complexities of our lives, or our experiences: FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. and of course, we've discussed the problem about talking about racism here, ad nauseum. i think i am as about as pessimistic as the other person who responded. i don't see HOW this can possibly change, and i sure as hell can't see how or why i should bother to try.
JI7
(89,262 posts)News of cops attacking unarmed black people.
One black person kept trying to explain things but even those who claim to be liberal were mostly dismissive
When shown a video clip of a white comedian making the same point as that black person suddenly they started to listen .
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Is this the same thing??
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)and the white guy listens to Jon and not Jessica. It won't play outside the US, I forgot!
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)How the review ever got past an editor is the question now.
http://www.economist.com/news/books/21615864-how-slaves-built-american-capitalism-blood-cotton
Apology: In our review of The Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery and the Making of American Capitalism by Edward Baptist, we said: Mr Baptist has not written an objective history of slavery. Almost all the blacks in his book are victims, almost all the whites villains. There has been widespread criticism of this, and rightly so. Slavery was an evil system, in which the great majority of victims were blacks, and the great majority of whites involved in slavery were willing participants and beneficiaries of that evil. We regret having published this and apologise for having done so. We have therefore withdrawn the review, but in the interests of transparency the text remains available only on this special page and appears below.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)xfundy
(5,105 posts)I've seen it on this very forum. It's similar to the fundies telling gays they 'chose' to be gay.
MADem
(135,425 posts)She tried to tell people, and they wouldn't listen.
Only when a finger pointing guy finally acknowledged some of what she was saying did they start to simmer down.
Of course by then she'd been effectively silenced. Here, anyway.
As for this sentence, all I can say is, well, no shit, Sherlock:
Slavery of black people by white people might have a tendency to create that dynamic.