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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:41 PM Jan 2016

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Birth of a Nation,’ a slave-uprising film, becomes a hit amid Oscar furor

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/birth-nation-hit-oscar-furor-article-1.2515238

An independent drama about the doomed 1831 rebellion by Virginia slave Nat Turner arrived at just the right time in cinematic history — and the film’s writer/director/star is ready for an uprising of a less violent kind.

“Birth of a Nation,” Nate Parker’s statement on the black experience in America, scored loud cheers and a bidding war among distributors at its premiere last week in Park City, Utah.

Fox Searchlight moved quickly to pay a Sundance record $17.5 million to buy the film, which went on to capture the two highest honors for drama at the Sundance Film Festival Saturday — the Audience Award and the Grand Jury prize.

“Thank you Lord, thank you Sundance,” Parker said onstage at the Basin Recreation Field House in Park City. “I’ve seen first-hand that people are open to the idea of change, and the fact that this is happening means everything to me.”

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EXCLUSIVE: ‘Birth of a Nation,’ a slave-uprising film, becomes a hit amid Oscar furor (Original Post) steve2470 Jan 2016 OP
the "Lord" is ok with slavery. says so right there in His book. odd to thank him for the award. nt msongs Jan 2016 #1
Parker thanking the Lord is appropriate for him Kind of Blue Jan 2016 #8
Thanks and yes JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #9
... Kind of Blue Jan 2016 #10
"it's more about sprituality, not religion" heaven05 Feb 2016 #20
Nice quote, Thanks! n/t Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #24
That's the King James version.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #17
You know owning enslaved people Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #23
LOL! Of course. I look at it the same as King Henry VIII wanting a divorce. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #26
Whew! Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #28
"and the fact that this is happening means everything to me.” snort Feb 2016 #22
Rubbish. That was in the Old Testament and only concerned foreigners. In Joe Chi Minh Feb 2016 #29
Was appropriating this title a good idea or not ? eppur_se_muova Jan 2016 #2
I will have to see the movie before deciding ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #3
It is JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #6
When I first heard that there was this new movie called Birth of a Nation gollygee Jan 2016 #4
He did it on purpose JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #7
Ha ha - I thought the same thing! Empowerer Jan 2016 #13
Excellent Idea! JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #5
:) gollygee Jan 2016 #11
I'm sure it's an outstanding film and I plan to support it Empowerer Jan 2016 #12
One of the few insightful things I have heard from Nick Cannon was a brief rant during ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #14
More than that as several Egyptian dynasties; greiner3 Feb 2016 #15
That can't be true ... Elizabeth Taylor was Cleopatra!!!! 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #16
Though in fairness that dynasty was ethnically Greek, mostly... (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #19
The Ptolemys were an Hellenistic dynasty truebluegreen Feb 2016 #30
I'm still waiting for the Robert Smalls biopic Recursion Feb 2016 #18
LOL! n/t Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #25
Shhhh don't tell them JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #31
This film is going to be great Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #21
I saw some blurbs via cindyperry Feb 2016 #27

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
8. Parker thanking the Lord is appropriate for him
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jan 2016

and for many others. And your statement is kind of ironic given that Nat Turner was considered a prophet and preacher, saying the Lord, of the same book you cite, commanded him to act. The same book that says "Break every yoke and let the oppressed go free" Isaiah 58:6

"Believing in signs and hearing divine voices, Turner had a vision in 1825 of a bloody conflict between black and white spirits. Three years later, he had what he believed to be another message from God. In his later confession, Turner explained 'the Spirit instantly appeared to me and said the Serpent was loosened, and Christ had laid down the yoke he had borne for the sins of men, and that I should take it on and fight against the Serpent.' Turner would receive another sign to tell him when to fight, but this latest message meant 'I should arise and prepare myself and slay my enemies with their own weapons,' and Biblical message too http://www.biography.com/people/nat-turner-9512211#slave-rebellion-leader

I'm not a practicing Christian at all, having attended parochial schools till college, and seriously steer clear of many Christians, and I definitely agree with you that the Bible does not condemn slavery but guides how to regulate it as an economic and social necessity. It's a condition of humanity, I mean not even early Budhism condemned slavery or tried to abolish the caste system.

Just saying Parker thanking the Lord does not necessarily mean he believes Everything written in the book or how it's been used. Dogma and religious stuff may be irrelevant when it comes to who one considers their personal guide worthy of praise and salvation. It's more about spirituality, not religion.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
20. "it's more about sprituality, not religion"
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

Religion is a TOOL to control those millions/billions that follow. Paraphrasing here...make your own path and leave a trail, don't follow the beaten path...Ralph Waldo Emerson.....

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
17. That's the King James version....
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 04:07 AM
Feb 2016

King James was really into owning slaves.

He even sent the Irish into slavery.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
29. Rubbish. That was in the Old Testament and only concerned foreigners. In
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:46 PM
Feb 2016

fact, Moses said the practice of slavery among their own people was a practice that was detestable to God.

However, absolutely central to the Gospel of the New Testament is the precept that we are all brothers and sisters of the same family, grafted as branches into the true vine, by our baptism and good faith. Indeed, barring the Corban pretext for parental dereliction, our concern for others should transcend the natural ties of affection for our family.

And since it is the Christian's bounden duty to evangelize, any slave would wish for conversion whether in good faith or bad, knowing that it ought to mean their release from slavery and equal citizenship with other Christians - not only in heaven but here on earth. And Christ was not the kind of man who would blame a convert for converting only under such duress, if the conversion had been in bad faith, simply to win freedom from slavery.

eppur_se_muova

(36,295 posts)
2. Was appropriating this title a good idea or not ?
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jan 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation

Maybe the choice was meant to reclaim a particular cultural/intellectual space, but will it more likely cause confusion ?

(Titles, BTW, can not be copyrighted.)

JustAnotherGen

(31,906 posts)
6. It is
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jan 2016

And it's a big old spit in the eye to DW Griffiths.

I can't believe that poster tried to play "I'm so innocent is this cultural appropriation?"

You mean that movie FILLED to the gills with black people?

That person has never seen the original or they wouldn't have made that statement/jump.

It is filled to the gills with raping, water melon, fried chicken eating child like savages (mostly in black face but I digress)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
4. When I first heard that there was this new movie called Birth of a Nation
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:28 PM
Jan 2016

I thought, "who on earth would remake that??"

Then I heard it's a totally different movie from a very very different perspective. It might be a really clever use of that name - it creates a very intentional contrast.

JustAnotherGen

(31,906 posts)
5. Excellent Idea!
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118737337


Start Here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4196450/

I follow Sundance on social media and yesterday evening what popped up on Facebook? A backstage view of the opening of Birth of a Nation 2016.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4196450/


http://deadline.com/2016/01/birth-of-a-nation-premiere-sundance-stunner-nate-parker-1201690343/
‘Birth Of A Nation’ Electrifies Sundance Crowd In World Premiere

Without an honest confrontation, there is no healing.” That’s from Birth Of A Nation director-producer-star Nate Parker today onstage at the Sundance Film Festival. In what I have to say was one of the most emotional experiences I’ve had at a movie theater, Parker world premiered what he called his seven-year “passion project.” His telling of the early 19th century slave revolt led by Nat Turner had audience members crying in their seats and jumping to their feet in a prolonged standing ovation at the film’s conclusion.


Potential buyers for the film streamed out of the lobby mere minutes after the cast had left the stage post-screening. Some worked multiple cell phones (with assistants standing nearby fielding calls of their own) in what appeared to be fevered discussions about the awards-bait film.

Speaking to the packed Eccles Theater crowd with almost the entire cast beside him after the lights came up, Parker said, “I made this movie for one reason only, creating change agents,” adding, “there are still a lot of injustices in our world.”



It was not an easy road for Nate Parker.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/birth-a-nation-slave-revolt-857177

A few days after actor Nate Parker finished shooting the R&B romance Beyond the Lights in late 2013, he met with his agents and told them he would not be acting again — not until he could play American revolutionary Nat Turner.

"I was willing to stick to that — and if it was my lot to never act again, so be it," says Parker, who didn't work for nearly two years, instead spending every minute — and nearly every dime — trying to get his passion project made.

The result is The Birth of a Nation, premiering in Sundance's U.S. Dramatic Competition. Parker, 36, wrote, produced, directed and stars in the drama, playing Turner, a slave who led an 1831 rebellion in Southampton County, Va. He has been writing the script for his version of Turner's story for seven years but has been carrying the story around with him for much longer


Further down at the same link:
Parker, who had written and directed a couple of short films, became determined to write for himself, and, through a fellowship with the Sundance Lab, was connected with mentors such as Walk the Line writer-director James Mangold to help him hone the story he wanted Hollywood to hear. But what he heard instead were all the reasons a movie about Nat Turner wouldn't work: Movies with black leads don't play internationally; a period film with big fight scenes would be too expensive; it was too violent; it wouldn't work without a big box-office star leading it; Turner was too controversial — after all, he was responsible for the deaths of dozens of well-off white landowners.



See the thing is, Turner existed. He's as much a fabric of America as Robert E. Lee. He was here. He was not a work of fiction. He was a 'radical'. He was rebellious. He embodied every single characteristic of the 'Founding Fathers' who fought at Bunker Hill, Ticonderoga, Lexington, Concord, etc. etc.

“They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power.”
― Patrick Henry

“Give me liberty or give me death."
- Patrick Henry


“Our cruel and unrelenting Enemy leaves us no choice but a brave resistance, or the most abject submission; this is all we can expect - We have therefore to resolve to conquer or die: Our own Country's Honor, all call upon us for a vigorous and manly exertion, and if we now shamefully fail, we shall become infamous to the whole world. Let us therefore rely upon the goodness of the Cause, and the aid of the supreme Being, in whose hands Victory is, to animate and encourage us to great and noble Actions - The Eyes of all our Countrymen are now upon us, and we shall have their blessings, and praises, if happily we are the instruments of saving them from the Tyranny meditated against them. Let us therefore animate and encourage each other, and shew the whole world, that a Freeman contending for Liberty on his own ground is superior to any slavish mercenary on earth.”
― George Washington



I assume everyone in this group is aware of where he got his title from - in case you aren't aware -
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0004972/


And for those who say - wait - there are other more pressing issues that the Corporate America that Hollywood with its huge exports abroad each year represents . . . I say no time is better than now. These are the days where Emmett Till is confused with Tamir Rice. The time is now.

The rest of the world - much like America - better learn to accept that WE are the real America. We are Americans. Our stories and lives and the lives of our ancestors matter. They helped build this country without the rights and HUMAN dignity that white Americans were provided. If those outside of America can't handle it then so be it. We do not have to subjugate our creativity and will to theirs. They don't SURVIVE here. And Mr. Turner - he might not have ultimately 'survived' here - but his rebellion certainly was an integral part of the birth of our nation as we know it today.

I will be going to see this movie - making it a priority when it releases. Based upon the standing ovation and the cell phones being hammered by buyers yesterday afternoon -

I think it's safe to say that the Oscars won't be so white next year - and the nominations won't be for cowering slaves and victimized maids. You know what? It's about god damned time!

Bravo Sundance and Mr. Redford. Your comments last year when you did your round table with Lucas - and your comments a few days ago make sense. Thanks for a safe space to display 'America' beyond the struggles of white men.





Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
12. I'm sure it's an outstanding film and I plan to support it
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jan 2016

But I'm tired of films about slavery . . .

At least I'm tired of films about slavery being among the few black films that get any play. We have such a wide range of experiences throughout our history and in the current times. I wish we had more diversity in the stories being told.

That is all...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. One of the few insightful things I have heard from Nick Cannon was a brief rant during ...
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016

a Breakfast Club interview. He asked DJ Envy, Angela Yee and Charlamagne Tha God, why are there so many "Black movies" with us being slaves and so few with us being Kings and Queens? ... We were slaves for a couple centuries; we were Kings and Queens for a millennia.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
15. More than that as several Egyptian dynasties;
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

Were headed by 'Nubians' from up Nile way.

I'm no Biblical scholar but I've heard that Mary's ancestors came from what is modern day Ethiopia, not known for blonde hair/blue eyes.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
30. The Ptolemys were an Hellenistic dynasty
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:14 PM
Feb 2016

descended from one of Alexander the Great's generals: Macedonian, of course; not Greek... but certainly not Nubian.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. I'm still waiting for the Robert Smalls biopic
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 05:01 AM
Feb 2016

Though honestly at this point I'd imagine they'd cast Russell Crowe or something

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. This film is going to be great
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 12:44 PM
Feb 2016

If it was not great it would not even exist. And I love that he took that title. I love it so very much.

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