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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:33 AM Feb 2016

I'm not sure why I'm posting this here... I think we're going to lose in November

Seriously, this isn't particularly AA-related at all other than in the sense that all politics is... I just can't think of another place to post it. (Hosts, do what you need to if you would rather this not be here.)

It was just... I was watching the debate (I'm in India so that was this morning rather than last night), and it really, really struck me very forcefully: we're going to lose in November.

I have no idea how we came down to the two candidates who are somehow preternaturally the most able to destroy our coalition, but the simple fact is we have. I have no idea how we came down to two people who could take issues of life and death less seriously than these two, and yet somehow we have.

Anyways. Like I said, this is probably the wrong place for this, but I couldn't think of a better place to post it. I'm an octaroon who passes, so I'll probably buy some brown shirts or something. But, Jesus: this is a bad, bad next few years I'm seeing in my head.

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I'm not sure why I'm posting this here... I think we're going to lose in November (Original Post) Recursion Feb 2016 OP
I agree if the nominated is her...n/t monmouth4 Feb 2016 #1
Forgive me if I'm wrong: a cursory search suggests (not definitively) that this is your first post Recursion Feb 2016 #3
and let me guess Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #2
Is *that* what you imagine? Recursion Feb 2016 #4
People coming here tryinig to be condensending, putting you on full ignore now Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #6
OK (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #8
I do not get that impression ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #9
I'm not a host but Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Feb 2016 #7
Their supporters are destroying each other gollygee Feb 2016 #10
This is why Kasich TERRIFIES me Recursion Feb 2016 #13
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #15
I agree that Kasich is a concern for me too Quackers Feb 2016 #31
I totally agree. He's the only human being over there. Can't stand him but I think he would Squinch Feb 2016 #28
I agree serbbral Feb 2016 #16
I get your dissatisfaction(?) ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #11
You have a point Recursion Feb 2016 #12
Bu, I'll go a step farther, and say ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #14
How did I miss the debate last night? I didnt even know it was on. randys1 Feb 2016 #17
I watched about 15 minutes then JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #19
We are going to win JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #18
I've always predicted that Kasich would rise! Of all the Rethugs, he's the most Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #21
Until he talks about women, wildeyed Feb 2016 #24
I've always said this. When the establishment forced Hillary Clinton down Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #20
I have heard that plenty! bravenak Feb 2016 #26
Trump sat back and let Cruz and Rubio fight each other. When your opponents are against each other.. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #29
I enjoyed the whole thing bravenak Feb 2016 #30
I have been completely underwhelmed by both candidates for months Number23 Feb 2016 #22
Thank you, I agree bravenak Feb 2016 #27
Recursion, with news of Scalia's Death, have you changed your mind ? JI7 Feb 2016 #23
It may remind people, I guess (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #25

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Forgive me if I'm wrong: a cursory search suggests (not definitively) that this is your first post
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:10 AM
Feb 2016

in this group.

Is that true?

(BTW; there's nothing wrong with that: everyone has a first post, and there are plenty of group members who agree with you. I'm just curious.)

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
2. and let me guess
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:10 AM
Feb 2016

you want to come and demand that we throw a vote to a certain candidate please don't bother. I'm tired of being disrespected by certain supporters of a certain candidate.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
9. I do not get that impression ...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:48 AM
Feb 2016

I suspect he is equally disappointed with both candidates ... as are a lot of members of this Group.

Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #5)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
10. Their supporters are destroying each other
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:49 AM
Feb 2016

I think if there were any even slightly normal Republican candidates, they'd win, but I don't think either Bernie or Hillary will lose against any of the horrible candidates the Republcians have to offer this year.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. Yes ...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:53 PM
Feb 2016

I have voiced my concern about Kasich from since he announced ... he is a nightmare, flying under everyone's radar.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
31. I agree that Kasich is a concern for me too
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

But the polls don't seem to be taking him as a serious contender.

Squinch

(50,993 posts)
28. I totally agree. He's the only human being over there. Can't stand him but I think he would
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:29 PM
Feb 2016

be a strong candidate.

I don't, however, think we will lose in November.

serbbral

(260 posts)
16. I agree
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

Well, I have been on the board for sometime (I just don't post often) and this IS my first time posting in this group, but I agree with your statement. I so wish we had another alternative. I think if someone who was not so argumentative, and divisive, like a Kasich, or somewhat 'in the middle' or any sane republican became the nominee, the dems would loose this thing come November.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. I get your dissatisfaction(?) ...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:54 AM
Feb 2016

But, and this is a huge, but ... given the republican field, the ONLY way I see Democrats losing the White House, regardless of who we nominate, is if we lose our, ever-loving minds. That's to say, if we stay home because our particular candidate is not the nominee.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. Bu, I'll go a step farther, and say ...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

I do not put it beyond some to lose their ever loving mind!

We already see it (here on DU) with all the "I will no longer vote for the lesser of two evils" proclamations ... and the less obvious, massive emotional investment in one candidate (or the other) to the point where the one can do no wrong (is flawless) and the other can do no right ... which is exposed with every apologetic and conspiracy theory post.

{Disclaimer: I, clearly, believe that this applies to the supporters of one candidate than the other.}

randys1

(16,286 posts)
17. How did I miss the debate last night? I didnt even know it was on.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

a. any thoughts by folks here?

b. I did hear Bernie go after Hillary on Kissinger, I liked that - i have only heard snippets

c. If Bernie supporters dont vote for Hillary if Hillary is the nominee (far far far less in reverse so I am not going to mention the reverse) and we lose, the ensuing horror will be their fault and I for one will make sure they never stop hearing about it, unless they silence me

JustAnotherGen

(31,874 posts)
18. We are going to win
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:56 PM
Feb 2016

Because regardless of who the candidate is - you will vote from abroad.

That said - I'm afraid of Kasich. I joined his FB page today to see what he's up to.

He's gooooood in a Republican kind of way.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
21. I've always predicted that Kasich would rise! Of all the Rethugs, he's the most
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:39 PM
Feb 2016

tolerable. That's not saying much, but it's the truth. He was always the threat.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
20. I've always said this. When the establishment forced Hillary Clinton down
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:37 PM
Feb 2016

our throats, chasing any and all potentially viable candidates away, I knew we would lose.

I almost want Trump to win. Maybe that'll wake us up.

It's the fault of the Democratic Party! No one likes Hillary. And people may like Bernie Sanders and his platform, but Sanders cannot win! Republicans will eat him alive!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
26. I have heard that plenty!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:25 PM
Feb 2016

Just let Trump win so that people wake up, I hear it constantly. But Trump won't win. We'll end up with a dem just because of how absolutely insane they are. I'm watching the debate right now, bunch of creeps.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
29. Trump sat back and let Cruz and Rubio fight each other. When your opponents are against each other..
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:08 AM
Feb 2016

...shut up and let them kill each other.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
22. I have been completely underwhelmed by both candidates for months
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:18 PM
Feb 2016

But Sanders' supporters and so much of the behavior of his campaign has just about done me in.

The low voter turnout in NH and Iowa shows that it's not just us. Lots and lots of people are not feeling either of these two. But we cannot lose in November. I just can't allow myself to even contemplate that.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
23. Recursion, with news of Scalia's Death, have you changed your mind ?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:30 PM
Feb 2016

i think that should be a huge reason to support whichever candidate ends up winning the nomination.

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