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(CNN) -- Amiyrah Martin of Edison, New Jersey, an African-American mom of two, says she and her husband are still trying to figure out how to sit their 8-year-old son down and explain the Trayvon Martin case and its conclusion -- without getting emotional.
"My biggest issue is ... giving him the facts rather than getting upset and giving him how I feel, because I want him to come to his own consensus," the host of the blog Four Hats and Frugal said in an interview. "My husband is the same way. He's very emotional about it ... so he doesn't want him to think, 'Well, Dad feels this way so I should.' He wants him to create his own opinion."
When Martin, who is not related to Trayvon Martin's family, ultimately has the conversation with her little guy, who always "likes to know the why," he'll no doubt ask about race, she said.
"We're going to have to tell him that it may have been due to Trayvon's race, and this is how it happened, and this is how George Zimmerman decided to react to it," she said. "It's going to be very hard to sit him down and have the conversation, but we know we have to do it."
While not everyone agrees that Martin was racially profiled, the case and the protests that followed have led to larger conversations between parents and kids. Some are focusing on race -- Martin was black and Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic, so it's not just a black and white issue. Still, others aren't even talking about race but are focusing on behavior.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/living/parents-trayvon-martin-conversations/index.html
Oh, there's a word to describe those who still claim he wasn't profiled...
GladRagDahl
(237 posts)The term is really only appropriately used when applied to the actions of government officials. If Zimmerman used race in making his decision to suspect Trayvon Martin of wrong-doing, it's really just racism, plain and simple.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)It's usually only legally actionable when public officials do it...
And even then it's still relevant since Zimmerman was already acting in a quasi-LEO position in the first place...
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Thats not racism. That's prejudice.
Racism is structural. Bigots with guns are just bigots with guns.
Zimpig not being charged for as long as he was and the D.A.s actions were racism. That's how it goes in America.
murielm99
(30,741 posts)It is nice to be retired, and sub when I want to.
I have had a fourth grader a number of times whose name is Trevon. The name is so similar, he is having a tough time. He told me, out of the blue, that his dad talked to him about his name, and where it came from. His dad talked to him about Trayvon, too.
The tragedy was bad enough. It is sickening that our kids have to learn about racial profiling at all, let alone at such young ages. Whether or not you agree that Trayvon was profiled, the issue has to be discussed. I believe that race was a big factor in the shooting. Splitting hairs does not make that teenager any less dead.
GladRagDahl
(237 posts)From the ACLU ""Racial Profiling" refers to the discriminatory practice by law enforcement officials of targeting individuals for suspicion of crime based on the individual's race, ethnicity, religion or national origin. Criminal profiling, generally, as practiced by police, is the reliance on a group of characteristics they believe to be associated with crime. Examples of racial profiling are the use of race to determine which drivers to stop for minor traffic violations (commonly referred to as "driving while black or brown" , or the use of race to determine which pedestrians to search for illegal contraband. "
https://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/racial-profiling-definition
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I'm not quite sure why you're so stuck up on the legal minutiae...
1. Zimmerman is supposedly on the lookout for "criminals"
2. He sees a black teenager who he *knows* doesn't belong in his neighborhood
3. Zimmerman calls 911, and in that call tells the dispatcher that Martin is suspicious, possibly armed, possibly on drugs, is likely about to commit a felony and probably related to a string of burglaries in the neighborhood (with NO evidence whatsoever to back up those claims)
4. Zimmerman then proceeds to track down and apprehend the "criminal"
I don't know who you are or where you came from, but please don't lecture to me on matters of race...
GladRagDahl
(237 posts)He is not law enforcement.
And I am lecturing you on English, not race. You misused terminology. That has nothing to do with race. The correct response would be "I'm sorry. I misused the term, but my point is valid." That would have been acceptable and the end of it. There was no need to be defensive and try to turn this into something it wasn't.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)And I already know fucking English, thank you...
Perhaps you should educate yourself on the facts of the case and get back to us...
And strangely enough, I don't recall seeing your name in ANY of the thousand ongoing DU threads back when the case was still active, so I'm wondering what the hell it is you're doing here and what you're trying to accomplish...Because it's clear you're not one of us...
GladRagDahl
(237 posts)Your answer tells me pretty much all I need to know about you. As to being "one of YOU"...I sincerely hope not. I enjoy intellectual debate - not profanity and paranoia. There is plenty of that to be found on this forum and many interesting and intelligent people who love to debate in a civil manner.
Apparently you aren't one. I'll make a note of that and won't attempt to engage you in thoughtful debate in the future.
murielm99
(30,741 posts)You are NOT wrong. Zimmerman may not have been a cop, but he was acting as a neighborhood watch person, helping law enforcement. In many places, neighborhood watch groups work with the police, and are trained by them. They are quasi-official.
I find our contrarian here offensive. Racial profiling may have a definition in relation to law enforcement, but it exists in other professions. Teachers do it. Employers do it. In fact, most large institutions do it. In my rural county, we are embroiled in a murder case where two people are being accused of a hate crime. Lawbreakers do it, too.
Maybe I should be responding to our legal "expert" instead of you, but I wanted you to know that I agree with you.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)The blacks that participate in this forum can tell you first hand you are wrong - if you believe everyday dominant culture citizens don't actively engage in racial profiling and well - act upon it.