I completely fell in love

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118737483

Has there been anything more recent?

This is the first I'd heard of her. Propane Jane may sound profane but she's right as rain now I'm taking the night train to rest my brain.

And she seems like my kind of gal. No shit taking and smart as a whip.

she's reminding people about Susan Sarandon's support of Ralph Nader and how wise that was.

She is a jewel...smart and sassy!

is a fan and is willing to listen.

You're a great Bernie supporter and very kind person.

can immediately identify with.

I had a beautiful dog who was my angel. She was at my feet when I named my screen name. Only a few months later she passed away. I didn't like talking about it. But guess what? A buddy who lives right next door got a dog six months or so ago and he's fitting right in. And I've been enjoying all the fun of going to the dog park and going for walks etc. with this dog. It's perfect for me now because I get to rent the dog whenever I want without the 24 / 7 care. It's like having a dog friend with benefits haha!

do you ever get to have sleepovers?

no sleepovers. But I do see him most every day.

Learned so much from her.

I wonder if anyone from here can invite her from twitter in case she wants to visit here.

Or heck maybe she's among us already. There's many smart women here.

I haven't yet joined twitter. I will eventually but right now I'm more into instagram. I like pictures, lol.

She's got a tremendous voice. You can just hear it in every tweet.

I'll never be able to sound like her, of course, but I'll keep trying to make sense at least.

but I'm definitely going to follow!

Thanks for this.

Propane Jane breaks everything down real simple.

The first fact is as obvious as the nose on our faces.

"...systemic racism is the number one reason why we don't have socialism in America. It ain't the banks or the 1%ers.

Thanks for the reminder and posting her recent wisdom

I do think that from my readings of history, there's a lot of depth to that quote.

and the history of socialism in America. When I find it, I'll PM to you.

Thanks for considering it because it warms my heart

Feel free to post it here K o B because I'm sure others may want to read & comment on it, if you wish.

LOL...I just think some times I'm so out there and will be considered laughable. Thanks, LMD!

Oh, me too! I wrote around ten paragraphs in the music thread about how I learned about various musical artists & then realized I was just spazzing out last night. Made me feel great to just edit it all down to like a sentence or two.

I think the subject you're talking about is quite interesting and I'd like to research it more. I'd also like to read and compare notes with what our other friends here have read. This group is so well-read with books & history.

Thanks.

I'm sure folks would be interested in reading, and discussing it.

Will add more later in just an OP with links.

I loved what I have seen of it so far.

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There was an OP yesterday that discussed indentured servants (mostly white) and enslaved black people early on in the history of the country. They actually got alone well and even started to intermarry as they were all oppressed by their wealthy owners. Many white indentured worked through their seven-year contracts and were freed. Enslaved blacks, and even indentured blacks weren't freed, which created unrest (the old divide and conquer game).

The wealthy owners, who benefited greatly from their free labor became the political leaders of the country and because they became stinking rich from free-labor capitalism were not about to change it or let the unrest fester. They put in laws to strengthen capitalism.

Even poor whites were given the power to apprehend and even beat enslaved blacks. The 2nd Amendment itself was created to arm slave patrols (Poor whites used against blacks, these patrols evolved into the police, and we all know about their treatment of POC). It wasn't about any militia to protect the country from foreign attack.

It was to preserve their very lucrative capitalism. There was no thought of socialism except lip service and writings about the "commonweal". They were in control and weren't about to change it.

Income equality and socialist concepts were the farthest thing from their free labor exploiting, racist minds.

certainly accurate, it leaves out the perspective I'm regarding - the failure of socialism or social movements because the movement repeatedly leaves out PoC. My perspective is not from the angle of the wealthy but from the common man's plight to fight, from the days of indentured servants to Occupy Wall Street, and the Democratic political arena we're dealing with now, a contentious issue never resolved.

I was going to OP it but might as well cite some of them now because the literature is vast and I've got to start work. Lets begin with a synopsis of the book Reluctant Reformers: The Impact of Racism on American Social Reform Movements (Washington, D.C.: Howard University Press,. 1974. Unfortunately it would be awkward to post the 3 remaining pages because I only found photos of the review. The rest is at the following link. I'm not sure if you'd need to register first. http://www.jstor.org/stable/2966761?seq=2#page_scan_tab_contents


Moving on to later "Unlike many in his party, Eugene V. Debs union leader and labor organizer, "believed the struggle for black equality was critical to realizing the promise of socialism...But often he is wrongly associated with the hamfisted politics of the Socialist Party of America, a big-tent organization whose ideological incoherence during its early years sometimes descended into naked racism.

In truth, as historian William P. Jones writes in the following article (adapted from International Labor and Working-Class History), Debs’s commitment to bettering the lives of black Americans was profound. The position alienated him from other white socialists, but it won the admiration of black radicals, including W.E.B. Du Bois and A. Philip Randolph.

Eugene V. Debs began 'The Negro in the Class Struggle' (1903) by criticizing socialists who 'either share directly in the race hostility against the Negro, or avoid the issue, or apologize for the social obliteration of the color line in the class struggle,' so it is remarkable that the essay and its author have come to epitomize white radicals’ alleged indifference to racism and its significance to the history of the working class in the United States.

Robert Craig expresses the common sense in his assertion that, 'Like so many well-meaning radicals before and since, Debs tried to subsume the race question in the class struggle, and in the process he moderated his radicalism and failed to come to terms with the unique quality of the African-American experience.' The term 'Debsian' serves as shorthand in the work of David Roediger and Nelson Lichtenstein for white labor leaders who, as Roediger writes, 'never reckoned with labor’s past where race was concerned.'" Rest of article here https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/08/debs-socialism-race-du-bois-socialist-party-black-liberation/

Moving on to OWS, this was the interesting article that led me to the first link, "Occupy Wall Street and white privilege" in 4 parts.

"Make the rebellious white people happy, our history tells us, and you can write off people of color. Better yet, you can seize their resources to finance the outcome. This is a short term and racist solution. The short term nature is evident insofar as the need for reform arises anew among white people every generation or two (while it has more or less been continuous for people of color). The racist nature should be clear to you by now." http://www.euroamerican.org/wordpress/?p=7

of social movements post-dating the earlier periods of class and racism in the country.

Debs seems to have been the real deal and an exception to most well meaing but paternalistic white leftists (sort of like Sanders' Stockholm Syndrome crowd here on DU).

Is there any mention of John Brown in the material?

As far as John Brown, I had a major move almost a year ago and have yet to unpack all of my books to look for the information on Brown. I'm just so lazy when it comes to constantly unpacking tons of boxes of small items! So I just cannot remember but doubt any author would leave him out.

One of the best things on the internet, ever! I tried to pick my favorite tweet from the series and never could settle on just one.