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brer cat

(24,591 posts) Sat Apr 9, 2016, 07:06 AM Apr 2016

And again...Video: Illegal traffic stop leads to beating and illegal medical procedures in S.C.

Driving while black with white woman in the car seems to be the only "crime" here. The illegal medical procedures are a horrific violation of his rights and dignity.

Knight then began to ask Hayes {black} about Skipper {white}, where they had been and where they were going. Those are pretty standard questions, although Hayes was under no obligation to answer them. But Knight also asked Hayes about the nature of his relationship with Skipper. He asked whether Knight knew her full name and the age of her son, and asked detailed questions about the party they had just attended. He then asked Skipper a similar line of questions. He later said in a deposition that he wanted to know what the relationship was between the two. Knight also claimed that Hayes was shaking when he handed Knight his driver’s license and registration, although as a federal magistrate would later point out in a report on the incident, there’s no evidence in the video of any shaking.

Through all of this, Hayes was polite and respectful and obeyed Knight’s instructions. Knight also asked both Hayes and Skipper whether they had any drugs, weapons or any other illegal items in the car. Both repeatedly not only said no but also volunteered their permission for Knight to search the vehicle — again, even though they would have been well within their rights to refuse. Knight not only didn’t search the vehicle but also didn’t even bring his drug dog out to sniff.

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Within a couple of seconds, Knight throws Hayes to the hood of the vehicle, out of view of the camera. Hayes says, “What’s the problem, officer?” and then there’s only audio of a scuffle, with Knight repeatedly telling Hayes to put his hands behind his back and Hayes crying out in pain. Knight then shows up in the video holding his flashlight and Hayes’s hat. He puts Hayes’s hat on the hood, then begins searching around the vehicle (presumably for the baggie of drugs he thought Hayes was hiding). Hayes comes back into the frame about five minutes later wearing handcuffs, his head bloodied. At some point during the scuffle, Deputy Keith Hunt had arrived as backup. Hayes alleges that Hunt then held him down while Knight hit him. Hunt later said that he restrained Hayes so that Knight could get him in handcuffs.

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Under South Carolina law, medical personnel can forcibly draw blood to test for HIV and hepatitis B, but only if the person has been convicted of a sex crime or has exposed others to bodily fluids during the commission of a crime. Even then, the procedure requires formal charges, a motion, an opportunity to challenge that motion and a court order. None of that happened here. Instead, Hayes was held down by hospital staff on Hunt’s orders while a nurse took blood from his arm against his will. He was also given an X-ray, a CT scan and an EKG, all again without his consent.

The tests showed no communicable diseases and no drug package in Hayes’s stomach. The police found no illicit drugs on either Hayes or Skipper, nor in the van, nor on the ground around the van.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/04/08/video-illegal-traffic-stop-leads-to-beating-arrest-and-illegal-medical-procedures-in-south-carolina/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

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And again...Video: Illegal traffic stop leads to beating and illegal medical procedures in S.C. (Original Post) brer cat Apr 2016 OP

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How can anyone seriously doubt that there is a conspiracy... gregcrawford Apr 2016 #2

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For years people have said that they needed all the weapons they own because of the LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #5

Same here. For decades they have dreamed about a race war. It's more a fantasy to them than a fear rusty quoin Apr 2016 #16

It enrages me as well. TxDemChem Apr 2016 #9

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If our tax dollars have to be used to settle or pay verdicts against governmental entities, Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #3

the medical personnel FreedomRain Apr 2016 #6

Another couple of asshole cops that belong under the jail. blackspade Apr 2016 #7

After my bi-racial college student daughter was pulled over for speeding while going to work... Squaredeal Apr 2016 #8

It must be a testiment to your good parenting that she did NOT already have the opinion that FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #10

Are you suggesting that not preparing your black child for an inevitable police stop cyndensco Apr 2016 #11

No I did not mean that. Of course every parent, not just black parents, needs to have 'the Talk' FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #15

I'm beginning to believe heaven05 Apr 2016 #12

And raising the minimum wage or improving access to education or healthcare Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #14

i heartily agree heaven05 Apr 2016 #17

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gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)

2. How can anyone seriously doubt that there is a conspiracy...

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Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:25 AM

Apr 2016

... among bigoted cops to inflame racial tensions by abusing their power and harassing, beating, and killing People of Color, often without reason or provocation? I am ashamed to admit that my younger stepson is a cop, and married into a tribe of knuckle-dragging racists with room-temperature IQs.

Stories like this enrage me.

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LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)

5. For years people have said that they needed all the weapons they own because of the

Reply to gregcrawford (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:51 AM

Apr 2016

impending race war. I guess they figure if the People of Color will not start one then the redneck racists are going to try and kick start it.

People have told me for years that I needed a gun to protect myself when the race riots start.

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)

16. Same here. For decades they have dreamed about a race war. It's more a fantasy to them than a fear

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Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:57 PM

Apr 2016

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)

9. It enrages me as well.

Reply to gregcrawford (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:18 AM

Apr 2016

Especially after reading this article. I am always afraid that my family (I'm black, my husband is Mexican but looks white) will get pulled over on some bullshit excuse. When there's trouble, why would we even feel safe calling the police? We can't even drive without having a family gameplan for if and when we get stopped.

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Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)

3. If our tax dollars have to be used to settle or pay verdicts against governmental entities,

Reply to brer cat (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:50 AM

Apr 2016

then the officers that perpetrated those crimes must be fired!

FreedomRain

(413 posts)

6. the medical personnel

Reply to brer cat (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:51 AM

Apr 2016

can lose their licenses for that shiat.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)

7. Another couple of asshole cops that belong under the jail.

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Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:57 AM

Apr 2016

The medical personnel should loose their licenses at bare minimum as well.

What a bunch of sick fucks.

Squaredeal

(398 posts)

8. After my bi-racial college student daughter was pulled over for speeding while going to work...

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Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:00 AM

Apr 2016

...she was visited by a couple of different cops at her place of employment over the next few weeks asking her out for a date. She was out-of-state, 19, innocent and vulnerable. The cop who had stopped her asked where she worked so she told him. Now she has the opinion that most police officers are dishonest, conspiratorial scumbags.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,019 posts)

10. It must be a testiment to your good parenting that she did NOT already have the opinion that

Reply to Squaredeal (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:21 AM

Apr 2016

many police officers are dishonest, conspiratorial scumbags.

We try to protect them from the reality of the world...

We can only pray that they maintain some hope for a better world and better future...

cyndensco

(1,697 posts)

11. Are you suggesting that not preparing your black child for an inevitable police stop

Reply to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:16 AM

Apr 2016

is good parenting?

I am relieved my sons know some cops are not to be trusted. Actually, I'm relieved they err on the side of distrust. They know to be respectful and that their sole mission is to survive the encounter.

When they meet a good cop, great, they may see a better world. Meeting the other, they are prepared.

Funny, I feel that by warning them about cops we have protected them from the reality of the world...

FailureToCommunicate

(14,019 posts)

15. No I did not mean that. Of course every parent, not just black parents, needs to have 'the Talk'

Reply to cyndensco (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:32 PM

Apr 2016

But having the talk doesn't mean that the child grows up thinking cops are corrupt scum bags, just how to act to not make things worse at a police encounter. That cops can be corrupt scumbags they have to learn on their own.

Sorry if it was not clear.

heaven05

(18,124 posts)

12. I'm beginning to believe

Reply to brer cat (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 11:32 AM

Apr 2016

Cops like this are hired precisely because they are racist and the white supremacists are trying to keep minorities "in their place" and when dating or married, in their race. Still. Racism. This society's long term possibly terminal disease. I'm waiting and watching for the "tipping point" event. Michael Brown. Sandra Bland and all in between and since show the reality of being AA in this culture.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)

14. And raising the minimum wage or improving access to education or healthcare

Reply to heaven05 (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:37 PM

Apr 2016

wont help.

We need all those things, but they are not related.

heaven05

(18,124 posts)

17. i heartily agree

Reply to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:14 AM

Apr 2016

15 an hour is great, yet when that person is on their way home from that job and they don't bow down quick enough to 'massa' wearing a badge, 15 dollars an hour can't help them. Healthcare would help if they are gotten to the hospital in time after being shot multiple times or beaten beyond recognition for "resisting arrest" or after being hung in their jail cell. Education hasn't done a damn thing in educating the racism out of this culture, in fact it will just allow more david duke types to be more educated in word usage and strategy to be a better racist. Been proven in just last 7 plus years by the RW racist(s) 'leading' the rabid pack in D.C.

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