leaves me speechless great. I am watching Luther and am utterly in love. Thanks for the post, MrScorpio.
Love, peace and shelter. lmsp

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While I do believe that Hollywood does in fact have a problem, I think this is a poor example of this. Very poor.

Idris Elba recent roles include MLK, Thor, Bastille Day and he will be helm-ing Stephen Kings Dark Tower. Zoe Saldana has been cast in some seriously iconic roles, such as Gamora (Guardians of the Galaxy), Uhura of Star Trek, Neytiri of Avatar-Avatar, a film revolving beings of different species trying to coexist. Zoe was also cast in lead roles like Columbiana and Nina (Columbiana-awesome action movie btw). Nina a film where she was criticized for being cast in the role to which she wasn't black enough.

Lastly we have the incredible Lupita Nyong'o, who's still relatively new to the scene. Never less she's earned an Academy Award for her soul jolting performance of Patsey in Twelve Years a Slave. She landed a role in Star Wars as Maz Kanata-easily the most liked character in Star Wars recent film. She's also in the movie the Jungle Book where ALL of the main characters are animals with the exception of the role of Mewgli played by actor Neel Sethi, 12 years old at filming. Lupita, I believe is only at the very beginning of her career and by the looks of it, it's going to be huge!

I get the argument about Lupita, but I would caution patience, she's not as seasoned as some of the others. John Boyega is a good example, Star War's would not be the same without him, he's beloved and his role is massive! He's had a solid quantity of work since he's been on the scene and keeps grabbing more and more impressive rolls.

It's subjective really, but if you're a fan of comics like Guardians of the Galaxy or of TV series like Star Trek, these roles are cherished by by all who loved them. These actors are lucky to have them at these points in their careers, people will back and say "Wow, yea they did that too."

that whole argument (The Oscars = Racism) was so specious, time-wasting and counterproductive; the OP article is just an extension of it

We will continue to have it whether they like it or not.

(Not to imply that you need my approval, of course!)

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The one where one of the most powerful men in Hollywood boycotted the Oscars because he felt discriminated against... The one where the Oscars was taken so seriously, as if it's anything but a silly self-referential evening anyway (which used to not be taken very seriously, btw)... The one where the Oscars in 2014 were viewed by racists/conservatives as proof that Hollywood liberal activists had taken over the academy, and then the Oscars in 2016 were viewed by activists/"leftists" that the academy was racist... It was really an embarrassing cultural moment, saved only by Chris Rock's deft handling

Always the one to put down our discussions right?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=21827


Too bad - you just can't see it. Enjoy your bubble of 'wisdom' where you know better what black people should talk about or be concerned about. Call Chuck Pacheco - maybe he'll make you an associate producer!

But I would think you of all people would avoid telling anyone that their opinion is invalid because of the (presumed) hue of their epidermis, but we all know the Internet is where irony went to die

I'm pointing out to my Co-Group Hosts that you have disrupted before. Always the same spiel - going back to 2013 in this group. I just pointed it out.

And I did address your Dominant Culture 'Explaining'

Let me make myself even more clear -

You are wrong.
Wrong headed.
You have NO CLUE what you are talking about.
YOU don't get to set our priorities -we do.


Me? Why me? Why point out 'hue'? I'm black woman of half white parentage married to a European immigrant.

I think it's YOU who is doing the presuming.

Or maybe you've just missed that thing the past few years black women in America have run out of fucks to give about who we offend?

you haven't addressed a single point, and you apparently think this is discussion:

or valued posters at DU.

You, on the other hand


.....

that I can't speak truth to a "respected" DUer (known for conspiracy theories and threads about UFOs) and now that supposedly respected poster's account is under review for throwing a tantrum and calling other DUers Nazis.

This kind of "appeal to false authority", where you say that something must be true because it comes from a certain source, is a logical fallacy. This is also one of the main features of cognitive dissonance on the Internet--where someone can get respect just by hanging around years on an anonymous chat forum.

& BTW I don't give disrespect until I get it.

You made clear your absolute lack of respect for how Black Americans experience America. Now you are bringing in shit from ANOTHER THREAD to attack another member who doesn't post back here and I don't even think reads here.

What is your purpose for being in this Group on this thread?

You have done a hell of a job ignoring us until you wanted to throw testicles/ovaries around. Did you just want attention?

you boast that you have "run out of fucks to give about who we offend."

So it's clear that you demand respect, but you refuse to give it.

That's actually very enlightening about the situation, which I understand better now, so thank you.

This is why we can't have nice things.

He/She could have taken five minutes, gone back to the posts in February and read to understand why the OP posted this back here.

Below I'm reading a post with links to another thread where he's downright insulting to another DUer who never posts or reads back here.

Thank you for "policing me" and giving me such a great education about what you believe my intent to be.

Why are you trying to brow beat me into arguing with you.


And you just accused me of racism. Shame on you.

defined criterion are perpetuating a specious argument.

Nina experienced not only the dominant culture's disapproval of 'african features' but colorism within. Saldana is an opportunist as I believe most entertainers are. She took the opportunity - but it would be like casting me as Ms Scarlett when I would be better suited for Queen.

On that note - Queen was well cast (Made for TV movie starring Halle Berry).

Any scene where there's a gathering of five or more humans - all white faces. Especially egregious - The Avengers, the battle in New York City. I believe a black kid was rescued, otherwise, it could have been Oslo instead of one of most racially and ethically diverse few square miles on the planet.

When we talk about the Marvel Universe, I'm looking towards the whole body of work... Captain America: Civil War which will be a much more diverse film which is integral to the MU. For example, T'Challa or better known as Black Pather will make his debut played by actor Chadwick Boseman. Anthony Mackie will reprise his role as Falcon and Don Cheadle is returning as his character War Machine.

I cannot wait for this film, it's going to be the best of the lot!

A good movie for you - The Words.

It's awesome because race is not at the center - and it's very true about most mixed race marriages.

in the dystopian future? I saw one that was supposed to be SF/Bay Area and another that was Chicago, very diverse cities, but in the future, they are envisioned as almost all white people. No one explicitly mentioned genocide, neither do the books that they are taken from. And yet, they seem to be exclusively populated by white people.

The Matrix was the last big scifi movie that had some balance, that I have seen. Admittedly, I don't see many movies, but that might be because I am BORED with only seeing white men and skinny, 27-year-old white women in every single part. TV is a bit better. The zombie apocalypse seems to feature actors from many backgrounds.

Although the films featured pretty good ethnic diversity, one gets the sense that the Zion crew chooses which pod people to de-pod based on their resemblance to Abercrombie & Fitch models. What happens to the not-as-beautiful people in this rave-till-dawn dystopia?!?!?

The costumes still look sharp, and it was made almost 20 years ago. I guess people wearing Crocs and cargo shorts didn't fit the artistic vision And let's be honest a personal trainer, good lighting, and makeup can make average people look amazing.

I'd be interested to hear what Elba has to say on the matter, for instance. Well, honestly I'd be interested to hear Elba read a phone book, so maybe he's a bad example.

My girlfriends and I have deemed him the 'back fill' for Redford. Looks, voice, the way he walks. . . That kind of tells you how I 'view' people.

I'd like to produce a movie -

Redford and Idris Read the Escort Service Ads in the Yellow Pages

:RaisesHand: I want to see Elba's face! You really can't see too much of the man, IMO. Stupid of the movie moguls to ignore a talent of that magnitude.

and it's comprehensive look at black people in speculative fiction. It's taking the filmmaker years to make.
Invisible Universe: A History of Blackness in Speculative Fiction

Here's an overview by the filmmaker, M. Asli Dukan

The Invisible Universe Documentary Channel

Thanks!!