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CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:29 AM Mar 2014

Finallly! Reading Gone With the Wind!

I loved the movie (and Clark Gable I MUST admit ... *whew*) and have begun reading the book. It is over 1,000 pages long and I'm now at page 675.

The book is a lot different than the movie! What a shock it is to me to read some of the stuff written by author Mitchell (daughter of a former plantation owner that never knew that the Civil War was lost!).

Lots of real crud to be read in this book, not saying that the book is no good, it is just much different than the movie and, yes, better than the movie too (even if Clark Gable himself is not in the book and character Rhett Butler doesn't have a huge role quite yet).

Rather shocked that Scarlett had three kids it seems (so far ... ).

Would be real interested to see what others have to say about this book -- written in 1929 and not published until the late 1930's it seems.

Good reading no doubt but long ... need lots of without any butter as to not ruin the book!



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Finallly! Reading Gone With the Wind! (Original Post) CountAllVotes Mar 2014 OP
It was enormously popular. Shortly after its release in 1936 it had sold 1 million copies at $3 Jgarrick Mar 2014 #1
That is a huge price! CountAllVotes Mar 2014 #3
While I've seen the film many times, I've never read the book. Jgarrick Mar 2014 #5
The book was banned in many countries. nilesobek Apr 2014 #23
Thank you for the info. CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #24
I really want to read the book, I've watched the movie. nilesobek Apr 2014 #25
You are in for a few surprises believe me CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #28
There is a pretty good documentary/biography nilesobek Apr 2014 #26
Thank you! CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #31
Margaret Mitchell: American Rebel PBS link CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #33
I read that when I was 12 or so dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #2
There are others but, I read this one: Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #6
I read the sequal by Alexandra Ripley SheilaT Mar 2014 #9
Oh dear, yes, I read that one, too. It is awful. So bad, I have blocked it from my memory ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #10
In that case I might give it a try. SheilaT Mar 2014 #12
I hope you enjoy it. Let me know what you think. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #13
I have to say, that after reading the reviews on Amazon SheilaT Apr 2014 #16
no hurry. I did not read the reviews. I love Rhett more than Scarlett and it was good to me. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #17
I did the same thing TuxedoKat Apr 2014 #19
I recently reread it. SheilaT Mar 2014 #4
incredible racism masquerading as fact CountAllVotes Mar 2014 #8
The last time I read it was ten years ago. yellerpup Mar 2014 #7
I have always felt that way about Scarlett, too. What a jerk! Nay Apr 2014 #18
Yes, manipulator, schemer, backstabber yellerpup Apr 2014 #20
Osiyo yellerpup! CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #30
Osiyo, CAV! yellerpup Apr 2014 #32
I have never read it Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #11
Now there's a "prequel" focusing on Mammy, out in October nancyfladem Mar 2014 #14
Did you read the book? CountAllVotes Mar 2014 #15
Loved it! llmart Apr 2014 #21
Ok folks, up to page 925 now CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #22
As someone wise once said Hattie McDaniel's character, Mammy, was the only level headed applegrove Apr 2014 #27
The KKK part is NOT in the movie CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #29
 

Jgarrick

(521 posts)
1. It was enormously popular. Shortly after its release in 1936 it had sold 1 million copies at $3
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:48 AM
Mar 2014

apiece, an unprecedented cost for a novel at that time.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
3. That is a huge price!
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:58 AM
Mar 2014

Even the copy I have (HB) is priced at $21.95 which was a lot to pay for a book in the 1960s!

Did you enjoy the book? Thoughts?

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
23. The book was banned in many countries.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 12:56 AM
Apr 2014

The authoritarians decided that Mitchell wasn't showing enough fealty in flag worship. I can't quote the book directly but there are passages opposing war and how the flags and war were not as important to Scarlett as Tara.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
24. Thank you for the info.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 11:21 AM
Apr 2014

I don't recall reading anything about the flag in the book. Scarlett was not anti-war nor pro-war.

She had one concern and that was herself and how she could be certain to never be poor again after her struggles during/after the Civil War.

I'd suggest everyone read this book if they have time. It is a history lesson within itself and I for one did not know a whole lot about the Civil War. Now I know more about it and was shocked to learn that more people died in the Civil War than any other war the USA has been in!

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
28. You are in for a few surprises believe me
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:30 PM
Apr 2014

I won't tell you what I found to be most interesting about the book -- that is re: the main character herself with the one child ...

Anyway, the book has numerous references to General Johnston, an old famous Civil War participant that was very famous in his day. A member of my family from the olden days who was a Confederate swears that she/we are related to him. Is this true? I really do not know.

In any event, I'm glad I finally dusted the book off from the shelf and read all 1000+ pages of it.

I'd recommend it to Americans in particular being there is a lot of history to be found amidst this fictitious tale.

It took me about one month to read it going slowly I must admit.

In any event, I'm sure you'll be fascinated by the book and, as usual, the book is 1000X better than the movie, with or without Mr. Clark Gable that is ...

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
26. There is a pretty good documentary/biography
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 11:53 AM
Apr 2014

of Mitchell available on PBS. That's where I got the info. Her life story is as interesting as the book imo. Thanks.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
31. Thank you!
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:59 PM
Apr 2014

She sounds like a real case ... any one that wrote such a book must be a real case ....

Will look for this documentary/biography. I have never heard of it until just now.

Thanks again!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. I read that when I was 12 or so
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:49 AM
Mar 2014

and again 20 years later
and again 20 years after that.
and kept seeing different things in it.

reading it when I was living down here in the South did alter the perspective..esp. about the land.

Mitchell was pretty much on the mark about scarlett.

Scarlett was being very practical in her quest for security, actually, given the times, the legal status of women, etc.

there is supposed to be a sequel floating around, not written by Michell.
I made the mistake of reading it.
fortunately, it is quickly forgettable.

there is a biography of Mitchell on wiki, which might be constructive to read. Given her background, it is easy to see how Scarlett came to be.






Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
6. There are others but, I read this one:
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:21 PM
Mar 2014

Publisher's Summary
Rhett Butler's People is the long-awaited novel that parallels the great American novel Gone with the Wind. Twelve years in the making, Rhett Butler's People marks a major and historic cultural event for millions of Gone with the Wind readers, complementing and adding new dimensions to its timeless story.

Through the storytelling mastery of award-winning writer Donald McCaig, the life and times of the enigmatic Rhett Butler unfolds. Meet Rhett as a boy, a free spirit who loved the marshes and the tidewaters of the Low Country, and learn of the ruthlessness of his father, whose desire for control resulted in unspeakable tragedy. Through Rhett's eyes we meet the people who shaped him in other ways: the overseer's daughter, Belle Watling; Rhett's brave and determined sister, Rosemary; Tunis Bonneau, the son of freed slaves and Rhett's childhood friend who understood him like no one else; and Jack Ravanel, whose name became inextricably linked to heartbreak.

And then, of course, there is Scarlett. Katie Scarlett O'Hara, the headstrong, passionate woman whose life is entwined with Rhett's: more like him than she cares to admit, more in love with him than she'll ever know.Rhett Butler's People, brought to vivid and authentic life by the hand of a master, fulfills the dreams of those whose imaginations have been indelibly marked by Gone with the Wind.

©2007 Stephens Mitchell Trusts; (P)2007 Audio Renaissance, a division of Holtzbrinck Publishers LLC

more at link:
https://www.google.com/search?q=book+about+rhett+butler&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb


This one might be interesting:
Scarlett: The Sequel to Margaret Mitchell's "Gone With the Wind" by Alexandra Ripley and Stephens Mitchell (Sep 26, 2007)

more at link:
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=sequel+gone+with+the+wind&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=21126719905&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=992119414909349634&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_351nhjam9x_b

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
9. I read the sequal by Alexandra Ripley
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:26 PM
Mar 2014

and it was truly awful. I think the problem is that Ripley was, as I understand it, given certain guidelines about what she could write and not write, and she chose to create a plot where Scarlett goes to Ireland. In the sequel she's really a 20th century person dressed up in 19th century clothes, a real problem in many historical novels. At least Margaret Mitchell was living close enough to the Civil War that she got plenty of stories from people who'd been alive then, so her depiction of people is far more believable.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
10. Oh dear, yes, I read that one, too. It is awful. So bad, I have blocked it from my memory ...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:36 PM
Mar 2014

However, I liked Rhett Butler's People by Donald McCaig. I liked it a lot.

It is basically Gone With The Wind told from Rhett's Point Of View.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
12. In that case I might give it a try.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:10 PM
Mar 2014

I often think certain books could be quite interesting written from some other characters POV.

added on edit:
And my library has that book, so I'll go get it tomorrow.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
16. I have to say, that after reading the reviews on Amazon
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:18 AM
Apr 2014

I'm not particularly eager to read it. Eventually, because I'm a sucker for these kinds of things, but for me it's always a problem of So Many Books, So Little Time.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
17. no hurry. I did not read the reviews. I love Rhett more than Scarlett and it was good to me.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:51 AM
Apr 2014
Amazon.com Review
Margaret Mitchell's story of Scarlett O'Hara's and Rhett Butler's beguiling, twisted love for each other, set against the gruesome background of a nation torn apart by war, is by all accounts epic--so much so that it feels untouchable. Yet McCaig's take on what many would consider a sacred cow of 20th-century American literature is a worthy suitor for Mitchell's many ardent fans, for reasons that may not be altogether obvious. It would be easy to look at Gone With the Wind and Rhett Butler’s People side by side and catalog what is accurate and what isn't and tally up the score. In doing so, however, the fan is apt to miss out on the best part of this whole book: Rhett Butler himself. McCaig's Rhett is thoroughly modern, both a product of his Charleston plantation and an emphatic rejection of it. He is filled with romance and ingenuity, grit and wit, and a toughness matched only by a sense of humility that evokes so gracefully the hardship and heartbreak of a society falling apart. It's not hard to love Rhett in his weakness for Scarlett's love, but it is entirely amazing to love him as he rescues Belle Watling, mentors her bright young son Tazewell, adores his sister Rosemary, dotes on dear Bonnie Blue, and defends his best friend Tunis Bonneau to the very end.

To pluck a character from a beloved book and recalibrate the story's point-of-view isn't an easy thing to do. Ultimately, the new must ring true with the old, and this is where Rhett Butler’s People succeeds beyond measure. In the spirit of Mitchell's masterpiece, McCaig never questions that love--of family, lover, land, or country--is the tie that binds these characters to life, for better or worse. --Anne Bartholomew

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
19. I did the same thing
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 02:52 PM
Apr 2014

I saw the movie when I was 12 and read the book shortly thereafter and reread it at least twice in subsequent years. I'm due for a rereading. I was totally surprised at that age how different the book was from the movie.

Agree with you totally on the sequel. Waste of time and the characters did not ring true.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. I recently reread it.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:02 PM
Mar 2014

I'd first read the novel when I was twelve, then reread it several times over the years. The recent reread was the first time in at least twenty years for me.

If GWTW came out today, it would be turned into a three or four part TV series, or possibly two rather long theatrical release movies, although I'd put my money on the former.

What shocked me the most in my recent reading of it is the incredible racism masquerading as fact.

Aside from that, it's an amazing novel. Mitchell knew how to tell a story and the shame is that she didn't write more. It took her a good ten years to write as she did a lot of research to get her Civil War battles correct. She also, I understand, tried very hard to make sure that no character in her book had the same name as any persons who had actually lived in that area back then. The story is that she hadn't even quite finished it and actually had no intention of submitting it for publication when an editor for Macmillan came to Atlanta, and some friend of Mitchell's was bragging that they were going to publish her novel and wasn't it too bad Margaret had nothing to publish. Mitchell got angry enough to give her manuscript to the editor and the rest is history.

There's also a story that the novel had been rejected a number of times before Macmillan accepted it, which simply is not true. The supposed rejections of GWTW is often held up to be a shining example of why people should persist at whatever. Which is not necessarily a bad piece of advice, but a fake story isn't a real good way to deliver the advice.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
8. incredible racism masquerading as fact
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:26 PM
Mar 2014

Bingo!

These are my thoughts as well!

In fact, I was telling someone the other day that this is THE MOST RACIST book I've ever read in my life (and believe me, I've read a lot of books in my day).

Glad to know I'm not alone in this not really all that astute of an observation.

Quite sickening is what I think!

Still have another 300 pages to go until the end of this racist novel, fact or fiction ...



yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
7. The last time I read it was ten years ago.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:23 PM
Mar 2014

I kept wondering how such a disagreeable brat as Scarlett, maintained as the main character. Usually, it is carved in stone that the main character be appealing. I came away seeing that Rhett and Scarlett were perfect for each other until he grew a conscience.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
18. I have always felt that way about Scarlett, too. What a jerk!
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 12:07 PM
Apr 2014

She's a real manipulator, all right, and she works as the main character only through her strength to get through hellish situations. You could grudgingly admire her for it, but you're right, she's little more than a cunning brat.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
20. Yes, manipulator, schemer, backstabber
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 04:39 PM
Apr 2014

reckless adventurer, indifferent mother--Vivienne Leigh (sp?) made her incomparably beautiful and impossible to resist.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
30. Osiyo yellerpup!
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:39 PM
Apr 2014

Sorry for not acknowledging you sooner. I've been a bit distracted lately had you not guessed!

((((yellerpup)))



yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
32. Osiyo, CAV!
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:27 AM
Apr 2014

Don't worry about it; this has been an intensely busy time for me as well. I take it you are finished with GWTW. Vivienne Leigh, with her exquisite face is the one who made Scarlett O'Hara immortal, IMO.

Good to touch base with you.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
11. I have never read it
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:45 PM
Mar 2014

but my mother and my sister both insisted that it was a book that I must read. I don't know why I didn't ever get around to it, since my mother's copy is right here on a bookshelf. It must be the size of the book, although I have read many other books of that size. Or maybe it was that I already had so many opinions from the movie, although I was told that the book is so much more than the movie had in it.

I really must read this book, since I have had few books recommended to me by my mother, and she was always right.

nancyfladem

(32 posts)
14. Now there's a "prequel" focusing on Mammy, out in October
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 07:58 PM
Mar 2014

Ruth's Journey, by Donald Mccaig, gives a name and history to the Mammy character.

From the NY Times review today:

"What’s really remarkable about what Donald has done is that it’s a book that respects and honors its source material, but it also provides a necessary correction to what is one of the more troubling aspects of the book, which is how the black characters are portrayed,” Mr. Borland said.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/27/business/media/gone-with-the-wind-prequel-coming-in-october.html?from=books

I too really hated the sequels but enjoyed GWTW for its sheer drama and narrative. I am looking forward to reading the prequel.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
15. Did you read the book?
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 11:31 AM
Mar 2014


The "Mammy" character has a role in the book, but not near the role that she had in the film oddly.

Sounds like an interesting prequel nonetheless.

Welcome to the Democratic Underground btw!

llmart

(15,540 posts)
21. Loved it!
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 08:43 PM
Apr 2014

Like a couple others on this thread, I read it back when I was about 12, about 1961, and I absolutely couldn't put it down. It left a huge impression on me at that time. Years later, I found myself living in the South and I had a daughter who was about 12 at the time and I bought it for her for a Christmas present and she read it, though I don't remember her reaction to it. She still has her copy and she's about 40. Living in the South, it gave me a new impression on everything. I remember visiting an old house in Charleston and I believe the tour guide said parts of GWTW were filmed there. The tour guides were dressed in costumes from that era. The slave cabins on the property gave me the willies to see. We couldn't believe how small they were with dirt floors.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
22. Ok folks, up to page 925 now
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:27 PM
Apr 2014

Closing in on the last 100 pages.

I do not think that this would be a good book for any person under the age of 13 or so should read.

It is extremely racist -- embarrassingly so.

I cannot believe some of the things in this book.

I think that if this was written today, it would likely not get published without some serious editing beforehand.

Will write more about my thoughts on this book when I'm done with it.

It shall then be, "Gone With the Wind" indeed!

applegrove

(118,666 posts)
27. As someone wise once said Hattie McDaniel's character, Mammy, was the only level headed
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 05:44 PM
Apr 2014

character in the book/movie. When I read it as a teen I liked Melanie's character. I'm older and wiser now and cringe at that. She was such a pushover. Plus the main characters in the book started their own KKK branch which was lost on me when I read it as a teen.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
29. The KKK part is NOT in the movie
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 07:37 PM
Apr 2014

But, as you point out, it is in the book.

FYI: Most men of that time/place/era were all in the KKK. I have this piece of info. from my cousin, the one that is related to the old Confederate woman that is long dead and gone that swore she was related to several (not just one ...) famous Confederates of the day. Said woman also claimed to be from a very rich family that held slaves. Was this true? I have no evidence to support any of her claims. She was Indian -- seems to be perhaps one of those removed from Georgia to Arkansas either before or right after an incident called "The Trail of Tears" occurred.

I have other info. that I have personally seen that I shall not elaborate on (!!!) that confirms what my cousin told me ... all of the men of that time/place/era were ALL in the KKK.

They covered that fact up nicely and I agree with you, Melanie Hamilton Wilkes was an idiot IMO.

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