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frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 12:33 AM Oct 2013

News in the JonBenet Ramsey case

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_24350597/john-ramsey-release-entire-grand-jury-record-not-only-indictment

John Ramsey: Release entire grand jury record, not just indictment in JonBenet case
By Mitchell Byars, Camera Staff Writer

Snips:

John Ramsey has objected to Boulder District Attorney Stan Garnett submitting any secret grand-jury indictment in his daughter's case to a judge to review and release.

In a letter to Garnett dated Sunday on behalf of Ramsey, his attorneys Harold Haddon and Bryan Morgan objected to the release of any indictment without the release of the entire grand jury record.

...

Daily Camera reporter Charlie Brennan and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press filed a lawsuit in September seeking the release of the un-prosecuted indictment of John and Patsy Ramsey on charges relating to their 6-year-old daughter's death.

The Camera reported earlier this year that the Boulder County grand jury investigating the Ramsey case voted in 1999 to indict the slain 6-year-old's parents on charges of child abuse resulting in death, but that then-DA Alex Hunter refused to sign the document and prosecute the Ramseys.

The Camera is not a plaintiff, but supports the current lawsuit.

After hearing oral arguments Oct. 11, retired Weld County Judge Robert Lowenbach ruled Thursday that releasing the document sought by Brennan would not be a breach of grand-jury secrecy rules and ordered Garnett to show cause why it should be kept secret.


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More at the link.

I followed the case for years, but I finally gave up on it. I am happy to know that Charlie Brennan and others have not! I'm not sure anything will develop from this, but it does appear that something is starting to happen.
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News in the JonBenet Ramsey case (Original Post) frogmarch Oct 2013 OP
Websleuths frogmarch Oct 2013 #1
I used to read that Scairp Nov 2013 #3
Well, neither Websleuths nor frogmarch Nov 2013 #4
It definitely was no longer for me Scairp Nov 2013 #5
You're absolutely right. frogmarch Nov 2013 #6
The indictment will be released frogmarch Oct 2013 #2

frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
1. Websleuths
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 01:10 PM
Oct 2013

is the forum I belonged to when I was following the JonBenet case. Another one was Forums for Justice. Both are owned by the same person, and they're both good sources for crime case information, including for the JonBenet case.

Here's a link to a discussion at Websleuths on the latest Ramsey case news.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224498

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I just remembered I'd saved to my computer this side-by-side comparison of a lower-case Q(q) from the ransom note, and Patsy Ramsey's lower-case Q (q).

Left - Ransom note q Right - Patsy Ramsey's q

I don't think Patsy was the killer, but I do think she wrote the phony ransom note.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
3. I used to read that
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 01:19 AM
Nov 2013

Years ago anyway. I found them to be freaks. Black and white are all they see, nothing is ever, ever gray.

frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
4. Well, neither Websleuths nor
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 02:37 AM
Nov 2013

Forums for Justice are websites for anyone who thinks an intruder killed JonBenet, but at those sites there are almost as many theories as to which of the Ramseys did it, and how, and why, as there are posters. WS and FFJ are free-membership sites.

There used to be a pro-Ramsey "sleuthing" website called Webbsleuths (the "double b site&quot whose posters paid "Jameson," the owner, for the privilege of posting various intruder-did-it (IDI) theories. Along with a myriad of nameless intruders, fingers at the double b site were often pointed at friends and neighbors of the Ramseys, at the Rs' housekeeper and/or her husband, and at any other Boulder residents who caught the posters' fancy. The site lost its devoted followers and finally closed after "Jameson" betrayed the Ramseys by selling an interview with them to the Nat'l Enquirer for $40,000.

I guess what "camp" one is in - IDI or RDI - determines what website about the case one thinks has the "freaks."

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
5. It definitely was no longer for me
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:58 AM
Nov 2013

I have never thought the parents did it, and I'm not sure the killer will ever be found, given that the cops messed up the case from minute one. They should have cleared the house and treated it like the crime scene that it was and thoroughly processed, including a top to bottom search, by cops, not the father who lived there. They not only didn't get the family out of the house, they allowed others inside. From what I read the house was full of people by the time a cop sent John Ramsey and someone else on a search of the house several hours after JonBenet was reported missing by her parents. I will never in a million years understand that one. It is one of the most marvelous fucking up of a major case the criminal justice system has ever seen.

frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
6. You're absolutely right.
Tue Nov 19, 2013, 10:34 AM
Nov 2013

The ball was dropped right at the beginning.

I've ordered James Kolar's book Foreign Faction: Who Really Killed JonBenet? Kolar was a lead investigator in the case and had access to 60,000 pages of evidence.

Here's an article about Kolar and the book:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/18/new-clues-in-jonbenet-ramsey-murder.html

I'm in the RDI camp, but I don't think either of the parents did it. I think all they did was stage the coverup.

frogmarch

(12,154 posts)
2. The indictment will be released
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 03:08 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/judge-orders-release-of-jonbenet-ramsey-grand-jury-indictment-charging-parents-john-patsy-ramsey

Snip:

BOULDER, Colo. - A judge in Boulder has ordered the release of the Grand Jury indictment in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case.

The document which charged JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, will be released on Friday, according to the Boulder Daily Camera and court officials.


More at the link.
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