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TZ

(42,998 posts) Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:09 PM Nov 2012

The Hater’s Guide To Notre Dame

You're gonna hear a lot about Notre Dame over the next month or so, particularly from media types like Tony Kornheiser who have spent the past 20 years holding back a collective tidal wave of jism, waiting for the program to return to prominence so that they can declare how good it is for college football that Notre Dame is good again. The idea that Notre Dame serves as an EKG monitor for the overall health of college football is a lie, of course. Notre Dame has sucked for decades, while college football has been growing and thriving (and will finally realize its full potential in 2014 when a national playoff begins) over the same span. Whether or not the Irish stumble their way through a handful of wins against shitty service academies to find themselves in the national title game has nothing to do with it.
http://deadspin.com/5963736/the-haters-guide-to-notre-dame?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Sorry Joey but this article sums up my feelings perfectly especially this part:

No football program wears its religion on its sleeve more than Notre Dame. Even BYU isn't obnoxious enough to have Jesus overlooking the end zone. It's that kind of "we're more special than you" attitude that makes me hope that Satan will one day crawl out of the Earth's mantle and raze the entire Notre Dame campus with a single crack of his fire lash.

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The Hater’s Guide To Notre Dame (Original Post) TZ Nov 2012 OP

I think the Jesus stuff is tongue in cheek Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #1

How 'bout the girl assaulted by a ND football player. Condem Nov 2012 #2

Awful caraher Nov 2012 #27

Yup, lots of jealousy...god forbid it should be good that ND has academic standards joeybee12 Nov 2012 #3

That's kind of a broad brush trumad Nov 2012 #4

Yeah, still bitter about the Miami game and your prediction ND joeybee12 Nov 2012 #6

National rate for all athletes...80 percent trumad Nov 2012 #11

I don't hate ND--- they just cherry pick their easy schedule. trumad Nov 2012 #5

I know..and the easiest this year was Miami... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #7

Beat me to it! El Supremo Nov 2012 #8

I think Miami was actually ranked at that point... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #9

Oh no doubt...Miami is sucking big time... trumad Nov 2012 #12

BC has been good recently? trumad Nov 2012 #10

Consistently in bowl games from 2000-2010... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #13

"Recently" trumad Nov 2012 #14

And yet you completley ignore the fact that I noted that games are scheduled joeybee12 Nov 2012 #20

Ahhh so recently in your mind really isn't recently? trumad Nov 2012 #22

Notre Dame would probably have not won the MAC this year, had they moved into the MAC!! madinmaryland Nov 2012 #16

So, booking your flight to the OSU Bowl Game yet? joeybee12 Nov 2012 #18

Why do you get to use the word... madinmaryland Nov 2012 #15

because I'm special... TZ Nov 2012 #17

I guess we'll have to call it the TZ exception. madinmaryland Nov 2012 #21

Give ND credit, they (and FSU) regularly played Miami when other (Gators) wouldn't. n/t Scurrilous Nov 2012 #19

ND hasn't played Miami in years... trumad Nov 2012 #23

Ha-ha! They played this year, you dumb tool! joeybee12 Nov 2012 #24

one time doesn't make consistent. trumad Nov 2012 #29

They're back on the schedule regularly, idiot... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #30

Awesome with a side of awesomesauce! KamaAina Nov 2012 #25

Any bets on whether Brent Musberger blows a load on national TV talking about ND being in madinmaryland Nov 2012 #26

Seriously, is Musberger EVER going to retire. Lisa D Nov 2012 #28

Kingofalldems

(38,461 posts)

1. I think the Jesus stuff is tongue in cheek

Reply to TZ (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:25 PM

Nov 2012

Our new National Anthem:

Condem

(9,002 posts)

2. How 'bout the girl assaulted by a ND football player.

Reply to TZ (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:26 PM

Nov 2012

Kills herself a week later. And the dude is still on the team. Probably won't hear much about that on NBC.

caraher

(6,278 posts)

27. Awful

Reply to Condem (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:17 PM

Nov 2012

Just read about it after seeing this thread. On one hand, this kind of assault can and does happen on any campus. But afterward, the young woman was let down and intimidated at every turn (more heartbreaking details than I care to post are in this National Catholic Reporter piece), and much of the blame for that can be laid at the feet of the school and its culture.

It turns out that when Kelly came in to coach Notre Dame also got rid of an official in the university's residence life office who had been enforcing the same rules of conduct on the athletes as all the other students. Since then what had previously been zero-tolerance offenses have been tolerated...

More quietly, in the summer of 2010 Notre Dame dismissed associate vice president for residence life Bill Kirk, who for more than two decades had been du Lac ‘s enforcer. Kirk’s leaving was seen by some in the Notre Dame community as a capitulation to the departed Weis’s clamor for softer discipline. Philosophy associate professor David Solomon, who has taught at the school since 1968 and was the director of Notre Dame’s Center for Ethics and Culture, wrote a 2,000-word post on the online newspaper The Irish Rover, in which he said that football fans, “… frequently charge that Bill Kirk’s enforcement of Notre Dame’s disciplinary code was too harsh and that his insistence that Notre Dame athletes be subject to the same rules as other Notre Dame students was responsible for our repeated failures on the athletic fields.” And also this: “In a summer in which all Domers were celebrating the distance between our oversight of athletics and the disorderly mess at USC, this incident [Kirk's exit] raised questions about just how different we really are.”

…The changes became evident when wide receiver Michael Floyd was arrested for drunken driving in the spring of 2011, before his final season at Notre Dame. It was Floyd’s third alcohol-related offense during his college career, yet his discipline was handled by Kelly, and Floyd did not miss a game. “With Michael Floyd,” says Kelly, “I was the beneficiary of the student code of conduct being updated. Residential Life is going to be the final authority, but changes to du Lac kept Michael in the university, which then allowed me to discipline him to the level that [I deemed]was appropriate.

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

3. Yup, lots of jealousy...god forbid it should be good that ND has academic standards

Reply to TZ (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:45 PM

Nov 2012

graduates its players, and doesn't just have idiots who can't even read or write on their team.

trumad

(41,692 posts)

4. That's kind of a broad brush

Reply to joeybee12 (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:06 PM

Nov 2012

Since the average grad rate is 80 percent with NCAA athletes... Sure ND is on top, but to ake a statement like just did is utter bullshit.

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

6. Yeah, still bitter about the Miami game and your prediction ND

Reply to trumad (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:09 PM

Nov 2012

wouldn't go anywhere...you're such a jealous douchebag...is it 80% with football players? Are you telling me that 80% of football players at ALL SCHOOLS actually get a decent education? What an utter load of crap...even from you.

trumad

(41,692 posts)

11. National rate for all athletes...80 percent

Reply to joeybee12 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:35 PM

Nov 2012

Basketball 74 percent

Football 70.

That's pretty fucking good.

These are kids that usually come from inner-city schools and are doing the best they can.

Again---70 fucking percent graduate.

You almost sound racist here Joey?

trumad

(41,692 posts)

5. I don't hate ND--- they just cherry pick their easy schedule.

Reply to TZ (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:07 PM

Nov 2012

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

7. I know..and the easiest this year was Miami...

Reply to trumad (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:10 PM

Nov 2012

Schedules are done years in advance...BC has been good recently...you are so full of shit you don't even know it.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)

8. Beat me to it!

Reply to joeybee12 (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:13 PM

Nov 2012

41-3? Wasn't that supposed to be a competitive game?

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

9. I think Miami was actually ranked at that point...

Reply to El Supremo (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:21 PM

Nov 2012

Or they had been and lost the week before.

trumad

(41,692 posts)

12. Oh no doubt...Miami is sucking big time...

Reply to El Supremo (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:37 PM

Nov 2012

But they will be my team until the day I die.

You see---I don't change teams on a daily basis like some fucking douchebags.

trumad

(41,692 posts)

10. BC has been good recently?

Reply to joeybee12 (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:29 PM

Nov 2012

In the last two seasons they were 5 and 18.

And you're telling me I'm full of shit....

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

13. Consistently in bowl games from 2000-2010...

Reply to trumad (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:57 PM

Nov 2012

Nice that you only chose 2 years when you know damn welll games are scheduled 5-8 years in advance...yup, you're still full of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_College_Eagles_football

trumad

(41,692 posts)

14. "Recently"

Reply to joeybee12 (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:20 PM

Nov 2012

re·cent (rsnt)
adj.
1. Of, belonging to, or occurring at a time immediately before the present.
2. Modern; new.
3. Recent Geology Of, belonging to, or denoting the Holocene Epoch. See Table at geologic time.

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

20. And yet you completley ignore the fact that I noted that games are scheduled

Reply to trumad (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:00 PM

Nov 2012

years in advance, when BC was good...asshat.

trumad

(41,692 posts)

22. Ahhh so recently in your mind really isn't recently?

Reply to joeybee12 (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:02 PM

Nov 2012

Use Google more often...otherwise you sound like a dumb ass.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)

16. Notre Dame would probably have not won the MAC this year, had they moved into the MAC!!

Reply to joeybee12 (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:31 PM

Nov 2012

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

18. So, booking your flight to the OSU Bowl Game yet?

Reply to madinmaryland (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:53 PM

Nov 2012

OH wait....

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)

15. Why do you get to use the word...

Reply to TZ (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:25 PM

Nov 2012

"jism" and when I did, the thread got locked?

Maybe it was the phrase "jism-fest". But given Brent Musberger will be all over this one...

I still think Notre Dame would have had a hard time winning the MAC championship this year!!

TZ

(42,998 posts)

17. because I'm special...

Reply to madinmaryland (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:45 PM

Nov 2012

Haven't you figured that out.

Oh btw, this thread is even more awesome than I thought it would be when I posted it.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)

21. I guess we'll have to call it the TZ exception.

Reply to TZ (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:24 PM

Nov 2012

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)

19. Give ND credit, they (and FSU) regularly played Miami when other (Gators) wouldn't. n/t

Reply to TZ (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:57 PM

Nov 2012

trumad

(41,692 posts)

23. ND hasn't played Miami in years...

Reply to Scurrilous (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:04 PM

Nov 2012

They fucking quit playing Miami when the Canes were kicking the shit out of them.. ND is no better than the fucking Gators.

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

24. Ha-ha! They played this year, you dumb tool!

Reply to trumad (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:12 PM

Nov 2012

Honestly...your posts are ludicrous!

trumad

(41,692 posts)

29. one time doesn't make consistent.

Reply to trumad (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 08:55 AM

Nov 2012

As if you know the history between these two teams... You don't know shit.

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)

30. They're back on the schedule regularly, idiot...

Reply to trumad (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:59 AM

Nov 2012

And besides, remember that bowl game just a couple years ago?

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)

25. Awesome with a side of awesomesauce!

Reply to TZ (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:19 PM

Nov 2012

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)

26. Any bets on whether Brent Musberger blows a load on national TV talking about ND being in

Reply to TZ (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:12 PM

Nov 2012

the BCS championship??

It won't be Kirk Herbstreit.

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)

28. Seriously, is Musberger EVER going to retire.

Reply to madinmaryland (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:56 AM

Nov 2012

I can't stand him as a sports announcer. I don't think he even watches the game half the time. My mute button gets a good workout whenever he's bathering on about something.

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