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Auggie

(31,174 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:01 PM Feb 2013

49er coaches over-think

It's been a developing pattern by defensive and offensive coordinators Vic Fangio and Greg Roman, and their boss, Jim Harbaugh. It started late in the season and continued through the playoffs.

The 49ers' first half zone defense was too complex. Yes, the secondary made mistakes, but they looked way out-of-position on most every passing play. Had they been playing man I think they would have covered better. They made the adjustment after the half and Flacco was slowed down.

The "comeback", while nearly miraculous, was asking a lot for a team so far behind after the kick-off return TD. Kudos to the coaches for being able to focus the team in that regard.

But with Ravens nose tackle Ngata out in the fourth quarter, why the fuck didn't Roman call for runs in the last series? The 49ers OWNED the Ravens defensive line. Five yards? That's one Kaepernick stride. It was if Roman was trying to force the ball to Crabtree. The last two plays were aimed directly at him. No run option in place.

Players ON BOTH SIDES couldn't figure it out either.

The non-call "hold" on fourth down was moot, and Harbaugh looked like a dick arguing for it. Because had they been running they would have scored a play or two before.


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49er coaches over-think (Original Post) Auggie Feb 2013 OP
heh TZ Feb 2013 #1
I watched none of the game...however....that non-call seemed pretty bad... joeybee12 Feb 2013 #2
That would be a hard call to make in that situation. Goblinmonger Feb 2013 #3
Man, Pats Fans Just Cannot Let Things Go Yavin4 Feb 2013 #23
So true caraher Feb 2013 #4
They wouldn't have called a safety JonLP24 Feb 2013 #5
I'm talking about holding on the Ravens caraher Feb 2013 #6
Defensive holding and illegal contact (beyond 5-yards) are no longer eligible penalties JonLP24 Feb 2013 #7
That's not the play I'm talking about caraher Feb 2013 #9
Excellent photo ... they still should have run with Ngata out Auggie Feb 2013 #11
I didn't have a problem w/ passing in that situation JonLP24 Feb 2013 #14
But they targeted Crabtree twice. Ravens said their scouting showed Auggie Feb 2013 #21
I would have done JonLP24 Feb 2013 #22
What the Ravens did.. Upton Feb 2013 #8
Right caraher Feb 2013 #12
Except there was no holding penalty that was called. That has already been argued, and determined madinmaryland Feb 2013 #16
The ball was catchable if he wasn't held JonLP24 Feb 2013 #18
I agree on the last pass caraher Feb 2013 #19
They'll be thinking about those last 4 plays all offseason.. Upton Feb 2013 #10
Agree on all points Auggie Feb 2013 #13
The Small Decisions That Cost The 49ers The Super Bowl JonLP24 Feb 2013 #15
“Now is the winter of our discontent.” William Shakespeare, Richard III El Supremo Feb 2013 #17
Big plays here cost them the game: 1st half long pass play; fumble in 1st half by SF two 49ers Filibuster Harry Feb 2013 #20
They cut off half the field for Kaepernick on the last play. busterbrown Feb 2013 #24
 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
2. I watched none of the game...however....that non-call seemed pretty bad...
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:30 PM
Feb 2013

I assume the murderer Lewis had a talk with the refs just like he ahd a talk with the limo driver who implicated him and then changed his story.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
3. That would be a hard call to make in that situation.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:41 PM
Feb 2013

That is a game changing call. And they were both involved in some serious contact with the other--it's not like it was just one guy robbing the other.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
23. Man, Pats Fans Just Cannot Let Things Go
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:40 PM
Feb 2013

Handsome Tom Brady didn't make it to the SB. Does that mean that you dump all over the team that beat you???

caraher

(6,278 posts)
4. So true
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:46 PM
Feb 2013

2nd and goal from the 5, in a four-down situation? Every play should be either a run or a pass designed with a run option. They squandered Kaepernick's strengths.

Also, how about the uncalled holding on the safety? It seems like it wouldn't have made a difference for them to have called a safety because isn't the penalty for an end-zone hold just a safety anyway? Or do they apply a yardage penalty to the ensuing free kick if the play ended in a safety without the penalty?

Seems like a bit of a rules loophole either way - it seems like holding on that play is totally worth it.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
5. They wouldn't have called a safety
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:51 PM
Feb 2013

If it was on the 49ers, they would have moved them back. If it was on the Ravens, half the distance to the goal.

The only call safeties if the offense is deep in their own territory and the hold would have prevented the defense from sacking the QB in the end zone. A safety in the situation that happened last night would have made absolutely no sense.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
6. I'm talking about holding on the Ravens
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:56 PM
Feb 2013

Since the yardage means nothing in this situation, do they do anything with the clock? Because it seems like there's very little incentive for the Ravens to do anything other than wrestle every 49er to the ground if all that happens is the ball inching closer to the goal line and a few more seconds burning off the clock...

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
7. Defensive holding and illegal contact (beyond 5-yards) are no longer eligible penalties
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:59 PM
Feb 2013

when the ball is in the air. PI could have been called. I don't know what holding does to the down situation but PI gives a fresh set which removes the incentive from the Ravens.



http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/4th-and-goal-pass-interference-super-bowl-47-video/

caraher

(6,278 posts)
9. That's not the play I'm talking about
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:17 PM
Feb 2013

Sorry for any confusion, I did change the subject a bit from the last offensive series for the Niners. I'm talking about the second-last play of the game when the Ravens intentionally took a safety.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
14. I didn't have a problem w/ passing in that situation
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:33 PM
Feb 2013

but I did w/ roll-outs. Simms described it well when he said, "the defense rolls with you". 49ers also called a roll-out on 3rd down near the end of the first half.

Auggie

(31,174 posts)
21. But they targeted Crabtree twice. Ravens said their scouting showed
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:36 PM
Feb 2013

Crabtree was thrown to 52% of the time in short yardage TD plays, so he was covered well.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
22. I would have done
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:45 PM
Feb 2013

a simple drop back or play action and threw to who ever's open, probably looking to Davis first.

The roll-out cut the 49ers' field in half.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
8. What the Ravens did..
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:02 PM
Feb 2013

because there was about 12 seconds left when the ball was snapped, was purposely hold in the end zone to allow the punter to take more time off the clock, knowing they were going to take a safety anyway which is the penalty for holding in that situation...the 8 seconds this allowed the punter to waste deprived the 49ers of the possibility of one last play after the punt..

caraher

(6,278 posts)
12. Right
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:18 PM
Feb 2013

It seems like the absolutely correct move by the Ravens - the penalty for holding is what they were doing anyway, so just wrestle a few more ticks off the clock along the way...

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
16. Except there was no holding penalty that was called. That has already been argued, and determined
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:28 PM
Feb 2013

the ball was not catchable.

As for your last comment, the Ravens got lucky with no one going after the punter allowing them to burn precious seconds off the clock. Then, on the ensuing "punt" the 49er's decided to run back the punt (after the Ravens punted instead of kicking) rather than calling for a fair catch and at least trying to set up a play with Kaepernick.


JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
18. The ball was catchable if he wasn't held
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:39 AM
Feb 2013

Crabtree would have easily caught up to it if he wasn't slowed down

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Donte Stallworth - “For all y’all saying that ball was uncatchable for Crabtree in the endzone… DUH!! Because dude held thee sh*t outta him…” he tweeted.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
19. I agree on the last pass
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:32 AM
Feb 2013

No call was the right call.

But on the punt/safety play, it's not true that "no one" was going after the punter. It looked that way because the rushers were being tackled. In the clip the easiest hold to see is Raven Ed Dickson (#84) on #24 Anthony Dixon; there are plenty of others:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Tsl165cxvjo#t=385s

They probably should have rushed 11, though.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
10. They'll be thinking about those last 4 plays all offseason..
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:17 PM
Feb 2013

I had no problem with the LMJ run on 1st down, but the last 3 plays were atrocious. the 2nd down play in which Harbaugh had to call a TO (another mistake) because of the play clock running down, looked to be a Kap read/option to the left...but then Roman abandoned it.

You have to go with what brought you here, and if that fails at least you know you lost with your best, the 49ers didn't do that. Even for all that, 29 points by the offense, Kap throwing for 300 yards, 2 100 yard receivers, and Gore rushing for over 100 yards should have been enough, but the defense, particularly the pass rush, has not been the same since the 2nd half of the NE game..

I still think the 49ers are the better team...they lost this game more than the Ravens took it.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
15. The Small Decisions That Cost The 49ers The Super Bowl
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:52 PM
Feb 2013

One of the more obvious foul-ups was San Francisco's mismanagement of its timeouts in the second half. If the 49ers had any hope of coming back from down 22, it was certainly going to be close at the end, and timeouts were going to be invaluable. Colin Kaepernick, though, burned the 49ers' first timeout just before a first-and-10 play near midfield at the halfway point of the third quarter. It seemed as if he simply didn't like the play call or the match-ups because there was time left on the play clock. The second timeout was called by Jim Harbaugh to prevent a delay-of-game penalty on the 49ers' final drive that would have set up a third-and-goal from the 10 instead of from the 5. This was a debatable call. On the one hand, San Francisco would've been pushed five yards farther from the end zone. On the other, since Baltimore was taking away the run and forcing quick passes into man-to-man coverage, the extra space might've actually made things easier for the offense. Either way, that lost timeout would come back to bite the 49ers hard.

Jim Harbaugh made another mistake risking a timeout on the challenge of a first-down ruling halfway through the fourth quarter. He won the challenge, but that only set up third-and-inches, a situation that ends up being converted more than 80 percent of the time (and which the Ravens did ultimately convert). There wasn't enough upside to justify the risk that there wouldn't be enough evidence to overturn the ruling.

Had the 49ers retained all three timeouts, they would've gotten the ball back with about 1:22 to play and great field position, assuming they would've forced a Baltimore three-and-out. With two timeouts, San Francisco could have had 43 seconds left after a stop. In fact, with at least two timeouts, San Francisco would've had enough clock to kick the field goal on fourth down of what turned out to be its final possession, force a Baltimore punt, and then kick another field goal to win.

Here's how costly those timeouts were. First, consider the field goal-stop-field goal scenario. Typically, offenses needing a field goal to survive can score a three-pointer slightly more than 30 percent of the time when starting near their own 20-yard line. With about 45 seconds left to play, they can score about 15 percent of the time when starting near their own 20. If the 49ers played for the touchdown, they would have gained possession near midfield at worst. A touchdown from there with about 1:40 to play is about a 35 percent proposition, but with about 45 seconds to play, it's about 20 percent. When the 49ers called their first timeout and when Jim Harbaugh challenged that first-down ruling, it was impossible to know just how crucial those timeouts would become. These numbers, though, show just how valuable they can be, particularly when compared to the importance of a no-account first-down play in the third quarter.

http://deadspin.com/5981564/the-small-decisions-that-cost-the-49ers-the-super-bowl

Filibuster Harry

(666 posts)
20. Big plays here cost them the game: 1st half long pass play; fumble in 1st half by SF two 49ers
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:27 AM
Feb 2013

standing there not reacting; not scoring a TD late in 1st half (only getting 3 points); 2nd half kickoff; and of course the end of the game not scoring. Do think it was holding --- his white glove is shown on the shirt impeding the receiver from getting to the corner. But the play calling at the end was GOD awful.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
24. They cut off half the field for Kaepernick on the last play.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:15 PM
Feb 2013

Made it so much easier to defend.. Stupid..

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