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(81,856 posts) Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:37 PM Jun 2014

Group H: Algeria-Russia & South Korea-Belgium

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Group H: Algeria-Russia
4PM EDT

BBC Match Preview: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25285498

Fifa Match Info: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=255931/match=300186506/index.html#nosticky

ESPN: http://www.espnfc.us/gamecast/383257/gamecast.html

Group H: South Korea-Belgium

4PM EDT

BBC Match Preview: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25285474

Fifa Match Info: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=255931/match=300186480/index.html#nosticky

ESPN: http://www.espnfc.us/gamecast/383256/gamecast.html

The winner of this group plays the US in the Round of 16

Advancement Scenarios:

– Belgium has secured advancement to the knockout round. It will win the group with a win or draw against South Korea, or a loss combined with a loss or draw by Algeria against Russia. It will finish second in the group with a loss combined with an Algeria win over Russia.

– Algeria will advance with a win over Russia, or a draw combined with a Belgium-South Korea draw. It will win the group with a win over Russia combined with a Belgium loss to South Korea. If Algeria ties Russia and South Korea defeats Belgium, the second-place team from the group will come down to tiebreakers, though Algeria is likely to win that tiebreaker because of its sizable goal-differential edge over South Korea.

– Russia will advance with a win over Algeria combined with a Belgium win over South Korea, or a South Korea win that does not eclipse its plus-one edge in goal differential.

– South Korea will advance with a win over Belgium combined with a Russia win over Algeria (if it overtakes Russia on goal-differential tiebreaker) or a Russia tie with Algeria (only if it overtakes Algeria on goal differential).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-insider/wp/2014/06/26/heres-how-u-s-soccer-can-advance-in-the-world-cup-group-g-group-h-scenarios

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Group H: Algeria-Russia & South Korea-Belgium (Original Post) Renew Deal Jun 2014 OP

Soviet Union? KamaAina Jun 2014 #1

Only if it means we get to bring this gem back. charlie and algernon Jun 2014 #2

I was feeling like John McCain when I posted Renew Deal Jun 2014 #3

Unfortunately many use such terminology to essentially disguise feelings newthinking Jun 2014 #4

Tell that to the Russians Renew Deal Jun 2014 #5

If we stereotyped another culture, say a latin American culture, the way we do the Russian culture newthinking Jun 2014 #6

I will seriously miss the Russian anthem BeyondGeography Jun 2014 #7

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)

1. Soviet Union?

Reply to Renew Deal (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:52 PM

Jun 2014

Is this the 1990 Copa?!

charlie and algernon

(13,447 posts)

2. Only if it means we get to bring this gem back.

Reply to KamaAina (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:57 PM

Jun 2014

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)

3. I was feeling like John McCain when I posted

Reply to KamaAina (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:18 PM

Jun 2014

newthinking

(3,982 posts)

4. Unfortunately many use such terminology to essentially disguise feelings

Reply to Renew Deal (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:23 PM

Jun 2014

of bigotry towards Slavic people. It hangs an innacurate, but effective stereotype meant to put them down in a way our old cold war prejudices allow us to tolerate.

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)

5. Tell that to the Russians

Reply to newthinking (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:39 PM

Jun 2014

— With an outsize extravaganza that reached deep into the repertory of classical music and ballet, traversed the sights and sounds of the world’s largest geopolitical expanse, soared into outer space and swept across millenniums of history in a celebration of everything from czarist military might to Soviet monumentalism, a swaggering, resurgent Russia turned its Winter Olympic aspirations into reality on Friday night.

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Notably, Mr. Ernst designed a show that, like Mr. Putin, was not shy about embracing certain aspects of the Soviet past. Some of the most striking sketches involved an artistic view of the 20th century, glossing over some of Russia’s darkest times, with a focus instead on industrialism and the avant-garde.

The sketches illustrated the period with huge mechanical cogs and gears, spinning and churning, as well as with images of the Stalinist skyscrapers that are among the most recognizable buildings in Moscow, and perhaps most dramatically, with an image of Vera I. Mukhina’s iconic sculpture “Worker and Peasant Woman.”

Whatever the Soviet Union’s ideological failings, the ceremony reflected a view, clearly shared by Mr. Putin, that its sheer bigness — especially its unification of Russia’s multitude of ethnicities — should be admired.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/sports/olympics/russia-opens-sochi-games-with-pageantry-and-pride.html?_r=0

newthinking

(3,982 posts)

6. If we stereotyped another culture, say a latin American culture, the way we do the Russian culture

Reply to Renew Deal (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:56 PM

Jun 2014

it would be all over the news.

We don't make a distinction between the bad individuals and the good ones. We slander the entire culture with stereotypes. It is bigotry to do so.

A lot of people in the US are bigoted against slavic cultures. I have heard many times people stereotyping Russian Americans as dishonest, lazy, etc.
It does not get the attention it should because of the cold war propaganda. Just like it seemed "right" to many to put Japanese in concentration camps, misunderstanding, propaganda, and international issues move many people into areas where they express hatred and they use the excuse of fear and how everybody else is reacting to justify it. We never completely retreated from the cold war propaganda and recent history has proven that we have not yet moved on from it.

What you posted simply points that out. The author is ignorant of the Russian Culture, particularly how their current system is very different from the Soviet Union (economically it is pseudo libertarian). So he paints a picture that is based on his own stereotypes and understanding based on prejudicial views expressed over the years.

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)

7. I will seriously miss the Russian anthem

Reply to Renew Deal (Original post)

Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:39 PM

Jun 2014

Even beats the Marseillaise, and it hurts me to say that as a francophile and passionate supporter of Les Bleus.

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