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El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 05:19 PM Nov 2014

AP NCAA Football Poll 11/16/14 - Look who dropped out.

L RECORD POINTS PREVIOUS

1 Florida State (43) 10-0 1,476 2
2 Alabama (16) 9-1 1,439 4
3 Oregon (1) 9-1 1,385 3
4 Mississippi State 9-1 1,289 1
5 TCU 9-1 1,237 5
6 Baylor 8-1 1,232 6
7 Ohio State 9-1 1,167 8
8 Mississippi 8-2 1,064 10
9 Georgia 8-2 948 16
10 Michigan State 8-2 941 12
11 UCLA 8-2 876 14
12 Kansas State 7-2 868 13
13 Arizona State 8-2 720 7
14 Wisconsin 8-2 707 22
15 Arizona 8-2 695 17
16 Auburn 7-3 531 9
17 Georgia Tech 9-2 523 24
18 Marshall 10-0 383 21
19 Missouri 8-2 376 NR
20 Utah 7-3 349 25
21 Nebraska 8-2 291 11
22 Colorado State 9-1 281 23
23 Oklahoma 7-3 206 NR
24 USC 7-3 195 NR
25 Duke 8-2 85 19

Dropped out: No. 15 Notre Dame, No. 18 Clemson, No. 20 LSU.

Others receiving votes: Notre Dame 74, Clemson 52, Louisville 29, Boise State 29, LSU 26, Minnesota 10, West Virginia 8, Texas A&M 3, Miami (Fla.) 3, Arkansas 2.

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fbs/associated-press

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AP NCAA Football Poll 11/16/14 - Look who dropped out. (Original Post) El Supremo Nov 2014 OP
I was scared to death over that game in Oregon State JonLP24 Nov 2014 #1
Marshall is undefeated and ranked #18. nt madinmaryland Nov 2014 #2
Marshall sure played some juggernauts. Hell, one team is even above .500 Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #3
I looked into the team JonLP24 Nov 2014 #4
You're on the same page with Sports Illustrated Zac Ellis Brother Buzz Nov 2014 #5

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
1. I was scared to death over that game in Oregon State
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:02 PM
Nov 2014

Historically they haven't done well there. I never look past games in Corvallis. I think because of Autzen, there isn't as much as an appreciation to how difficult it is to play over there.

The #1 Trojans were a juggernaut. In the 1960s, USC would finish no worse than second in their conference, winning six conference championships, playing in five Rose Bowls and winning two national championships. The 1967 Trojans may have been the best Trojan team in the decade. The Sporting News ranked that USC team as the #9 team of the 20th century. Their non-conference schedule included #1 Notre Dame in Notre Dame; #3 Michigan State in East Lansing; and #4 Texas in the Coliseum. Southern California started off the non-conference slate with a 17–13 win over Texas. Then, they defeated Michigan State 21–17. In the Battle for the Jeweled Shillelagh, the Trojans defeated the Irish 24–7 at Notre Dame. The 17-point loss served as the largest margin of defeat the Irish would endure at Notre Dame between 1963 and 1976. When the Trojans rolled into Corvallis, they were averaging winning every game by more than 20 points against a very difficult schedule. The game marked the Trojans' first-ever trip to Corvallis. All previous Oregon State "home" games between the two teams had been held in Portland and Tacoma.

(Oregon State won 3-0)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Oregon_State_Beavers_football_team

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
3. Marshall sure played some juggernauts. Hell, one team is even above .500
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:48 PM
Nov 2014

Rice (6-4, 4-2 C-USA)
Southern Miss (3-8, 1-6 C-USA)
Florida Atl (3-7, 2-4 C-USA)
FIU (4-7, 3-4 C-USA)
Middle Tennessee (5-5, 4-2 C-USA)
Old Dominion (4-6, 2-4 C-USA)
Akron (4-6, 2-4 MAC)
Ohio (5-5, 3-3 MAC)
Rhode Island (0-11, 0-7 CAA)
Miami (OH) (2-9, 2-5 MAC)

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. I looked into the team
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 03:16 AM
Nov 2014

I always try to evaluate the team itself while others get locked into strength of schedule tunnel vision.

Their senior QB is very talented -- among the best in numbers the last 2 seasons. The #1 receiver is very talented as well -- draws comparisons to Pennington & Moss(though on the Moss part they quickly point out he isn't Randy Moss)

They're highly efficient offense built on speed with athletes everywhere. Most of their roster comes up from South Florida. They're a lot like Baylor.

They are undersized in the trenches so they'd probably struggle against a blue collar style -- Wisconsin, Stanford.

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Their schedule is weak though -- 33 Marshall A = 79.78 10 0 54.82( 141) 0 0 | 0 0 | 79.15 33 | 77.70 38 | 82.45 21 -- http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

One thing though, Marshall does a better job of defeating their opponents than the Power 5 conferences do. They score more, allow fewer, a higher average margin of victory.

One picked them to finish #20 before the season.

SEASON BREAKDOWN & PREDICTION:

In a nutshell: Marshall's going to tear this schedule to pieces, dropping 40-plus points on more teams than not and likely rolling through unscathed, a scenario that would leave Marshall as one of the few – if not the only – undefeated teams in the FBS heading into the postseason. Some of this has to do with the Herd's personnel: Marshall has Conference USA's best offense and its best defense, with superb athleticism along the starting lineup and, by leaps and bounds, the finest depth of Doc Holliday's tenure. Add this talent to the smoothest schedule imaginable and you have the expectations of not just a conference title – one year overdue – but the program's best team of its FBS existence.

It's certainly the latter. The offense is dynamic: Cato's a national-award contender, Shuler the best receiver in Conference USA, the backfield still loaded with talent and the line the program's best in years. The defense is also impressive, if working through some kinks in the secondary. The issues, if not of the overwhelming variety, include Marshall's unproven second tier at receiver, changing cast in the backfield and lack of a trustworthy third option at cornerback. I think Marshall overcomes these concerns with room to spare.

The issues are twofold: one, Marshall won't be taken seriously, due to this schedule, and two, a single loss – again due to the schedule – will make the Thundering Herd a national afterthought. Rather than worry about perception, the Herd should embrace the challenge. Don't just win every game; dominate every game. Don't just score 40 points on a bad team; score 50, if not 60. Make an impression not by the quality of competition but by the quality of victory – do what good teams do and dominate inferior foes. If all goes according to plan, Marshall will enter the postseason unblemished. I worry that there's a single loss hiding somewhere, but you have to acknowledge the strong possibility that Marshall ends the regular season as one of two or three undefeated teams across the entire country.

Dream season: Marshall goes undefeated, winning each games by 28 or more points, and battles against perception to earn a spot in the College Football Playoff.

Nightmare season: The Herd lose four games: Ohio, Middle Tennessee, Rice and Western Kentucky.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/08/15/marshall-thundering-herd-2014-preview-roster-depth-chart-schedule-football-four/14055393/

I think Marshall is the best non AQ team even though Colorado State has wins against Boston College & Colorado -- and East Carolina who is usually the most talented North Carolina football team. Boise State and Northern Illinois are still in the conversation. I'd favor the Herd regardless of schedule due to efficient, experienced, athletic spread offense attack. Speed is a great equalizer at the college level.

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