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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 11:15 PM Jun 2015

LeBron James May Go Down As The Greatest Loser Ever

Last edited Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:34 AM - Edit history (1)

Hypothetically, if Cleveland doesn't come back win game 6 and game 7 it has to be something for Cleveland lore to put down the greatest finals performance ever and still lose the series. (According to metrics Andre Igoudala is putting in the best performance for Golden State).

LeBron James’s Cleveland Cavaliers might be trailing the Golden State Warriors 3-2 in the NBA Finals. The Cavs might, as their Vegas odds suggest, have a mere 12 percent chance of winning the NBA championship. But according to just about every statistical measurement available, the self-proclaimed “best player in the world” is having a series for the ages.

Build a bare-bones performance metric that simply adds a player’s points, rebounds and assists and then divides by the number of games the team played,1 and James’s 2015 finals ranks as the best of the past 30 years.

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So at either pole of the complexity spectrum, James has been the top player of these finals. (Neil Greenberg of the Washington Post and ESPN Insider’s Kevin Pelton came to similar conclusions using a few more metrics of varying intricacy.) And from a historical perspective, output of this level usually leads to winning the NBA Finals and the NBA Finals MVP: Every player near James’s combined total of points, rebounds and assists ended up garnering MVP honors.

In a vacuum, then, James’s performance has been so historically strong that it would be a shame for him not to win the award.

But on the other hand, if the Warriors win the series and the MVP goes to James, it will be the first time that a member of the losing team has received the honor since 1969, when Jerry West of the Los Angeles Lakers won in spite of the Boston Celtics’ championship. And, as Pelton notes, the culture of denying MVP honors to a nonchampion has grown in the intervening years, across all sports.

In the NBA alone, nine players since 1985 have been the best player in their series by PAR through five games yet failed to win the MVP after their teams lost. (To a certain extent, this also speaks to what can happen between Games 5 and 7 of a series between closely matched teams.) In 2011, Dwyane Wade — then James’s teammate on the Miami Heat — outplayed Dirk Nowitzki to a greater extent than James has outplayed presumptive Warriors MVP candidate Stephen Curry4 thus far yet still lost the award to the Dallas Mavericks star. So as great as James has been, it might not be enough to justify the award if Cleveland loses the series.

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As Tom Haberstroh wrote over the weekend, James’s physical workload during these finals has been termed “unfathomable” (among other things) by sports science experts. At the limits of human endurance and on-court influence — through his shooting and passing, James was involved in 70 of Cleveland’s 91 points in Game 5 — there may be no numbers that can do justice to how irreplaceable James has been for the Cavaliers in this series.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/lebron-james-may-go-down-as-the-greatest-loser-ever/

Hopefully Cleveland wins the series so James can get credit for this.

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LeBron James May Go Down As The Greatest Loser Ever (Original Post) JonLP24 Jun 2015 OP
So much for that brilliant plan! KamaAina Jun 2015 #1
Once he hit Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #2
I don't know about fire but he certainly put everything on the floor JonLP24 Jun 2015 #3
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
1. So much for that brilliant plan!
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:13 AM
Jun 2015


A legitimate case could be made for LeBron as Finals MVP (Iguodala got it!! ). Hopefully next year his supporting cast, especially Love, will stay healthy, and bring that long-awaited title to Cleveland.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
2. Once he hit
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:32 AM
Jun 2015

the back of his head on the camera, I don't think Bron has been the same since. During the past couple of games, his FTs were off more often, and I didn't sense that fire from him. It almost was as if he just wanted the season to be over with. He looked exhausted.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. I don't know about fire but he certainly put everything on the floor
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:38 AM
Jun 2015

I've seen him intercept a pass drive it down the floor, really angry when GS went on that early 7-0 run right after the half, and with a real look of disappointment because he certainly was giving his all. He was responsible of 70 of Cleveland's 91 points last game.

Game 3 against Atlanta they survived a 10 point comeback with Lebron putting it all out there to win the game in OT that he was on his arms and knee when the final buzzer blew. I don't think fire or intensity was a problem but fatigue certainly affects shooting percentage. The amount of work he had to endure but he certainly wanted to win more than the season to be over. I could sense that much. I never seen him want something or the effort from him ever (and certainly more than most of other players I've seen -- its hard to argue against Reggie Miller for a lot of the post-seasons I've seen from him) as I have this post-season.

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