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Related: About this forumWhat's your feeling about jumps VS artistry in figure skating?
No poll.. just your thoughts..
My favorite skater ever is Yuna Kim.. Sure she was a great jumper.. light as a feather. BUT she was such an expressive artist.. Always looked like she was floating above the ice with ease, not on it.
I always watch her for the stunning beauty of her skating.
dhill926
(16,353 posts)fewer cookie cutter programs...
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Right now some russian woman is skating to Debussy and the recording is just horrendous.. ugly actually..
which means she and her coaches have no clue....
dhill926
(16,353 posts)between the music and the skating. That should be fundamental, and it's why we still talk about Torvill and Dean....
Ohiogal
(32,047 posts)Kerrigan was perfect technically but Baiul was so artistic and breathtaking with her potrayal of the dying Swan. I think back the artistry played a bigger role.
LisaM
(27,827 posts)Oksana made me gasp. Kerrigan was wooden.
Ohiogal
(32,047 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,525 posts)These days I enjoy ice dancing as much, if not more, than figure skating.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Oksana was out of this world... I just loved watching her.
Little story, I think it was the year after she won, maybe 2 years, I was eating in a Thai restaurant in Syracuse.
During dinner, Oksana came in with several other skaters who were on a pro tour....
I almost fell off my chair....
ProfessorGAC
(65,159 posts). . . was that she was so long limbed that her artistic movements seemed to be in slow motion. It created a gracefulness that went beyond how graceful she already was.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Check out Yuna Kim, if you are of a mind.
I watched the women's free skate last night..
And for me, as good as the top few are, as difficult as their jumps are, I don;t think they can touch Yuna for pure artistry, grace, expression and genius...
ProfessorGAC
(65,159 posts)I have become increasingly disinterested in any sporting event in which i need someone else to tell us who won.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)It's like judging symphony orchestras.
And here come the 1st violins, watch these runs... HOLY COW they did it.... !!!
And the post concert interviewed..
"Tell us, how did it feel to just 'stick' that trumpet solo at the beginning of the Mahler?"
"OH, you know, its what I get paid to do, jerk."
ProfessorGAC
(65,159 posts). . .i did competition jazz piano when i was in my teens, and played at lots of battle of the bands with my rock bands. So, i get that!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)When I taught percussion in one of the best high school music programs in the country, the band director refused to ever take his band to any competition.
As Bela Bartok(probably) once said. "Competitions are for horses, not artists."
Lindsay
(3,276 posts)her ballet training in those movements. They were exquisite.
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3catwoman3
(24,032 posts)...expressing great admiration for a couple of the skaters whose moves are timed to coordinate with certain phrasing in their music.
Hello - is that not the whole point of good choreography?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Jumps are jumps... I only really like them when they are something especially spectacular.. I mean in the artistry of the jump...
Ohiogal
(32,047 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)EH.. If you are going to skate to Butterfly use Puccini's actual music, not some watered down version.
And frankly I don't care at all for her choregraphy Or the way she interpreted the music. Seemed like she was skating around doing a string of 'licks,' as we say in music, that could go with anything...
Well well. I guess the judges didn't agree with me.
LOL
3catwoman3
(24,032 posts)...the Beilman spin. I appreciate the athleticism and flexibility involved, but I don't find it graceful or attractive.
LisaM
(27,827 posts)Otherwise,, no.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)Maybe you have to watch basketball to understand that, but... Yes.
I maintain that the NBA should raise the hoop four feet. It would improve the game tremendously. The skating rules should outlaw the quad altogether, and not allow more than three jumps per routine.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)More emphasis on expression, artistry, more varied technical skills...
I get the feel8ng wr are all just waiting to see jumps.
ProfessorGAC
(65,159 posts). . . is that if they further emphasize the artistic aspect, the judging becomes even more subjective.
Now, it's not a matter of the judge's opinion of how artistic something is, but what is artistic? Some judge might simply decide a jazzy element is not art. That would be stupid, but the mere judgment as to what artistic is, then how artistic that particular thing is or isn't makes for some awfully confusing decisions.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Especilly considering the disaster of the 2014 women's result.....
So you are right, there has to be a good deal of 'technical merit.'