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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:11 PM Feb 2018

What's your feeling about jumps VS artistry in figure skating?

No poll.. just your thoughts..

My favorite skater ever is Yuna Kim.. Sure she was a great jumper.. light as a feather. BUT she was such an expressive artist.. Always looked like she was floating above the ice with ease, not on it.

I always watch her for the stunning beauty of her skating.

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What's your feeling about jumps VS artistry in figure skating? (Original Post) pangaia Feb 2018 OP
I wish artistry counted for more.... dhill926 Feb 2018 #1
I agree.. pangaia Feb 2018 #2
yeah...don't get me started on the lack of coordination... dhill926 Feb 2018 #3
Remember Nancy Kerrigan vs. Oksana Baiul? Ohiogal Feb 2018 #4
I will never forget that performance. LisaM Feb 2018 #6
I get chills just recalling how beautiful it was. Ohiogal Feb 2018 #11
Oksana Baiul's performance was one of the most beautiful I can recall. Arkansas Granny Feb 2018 #7
Check out Yuna Kim on utube pangaia Feb 2018 #17
OOOHH yes.... pangaia Feb 2018 #8
One Of The Things I Noticed About Her. . . ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #20
I never thought of that, but you are absolutely right... pangaia Feb 2018 #22
Probably Won't, But Thanks ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #23
Now THAT is interesting. pangaia Feb 2018 #25
That Said. . . ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #26
yeah....I hear you... pangaia Feb 2018 #27
You could really see Lindsay Feb 2018 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Feb 2018 #13
Artistry fan here. I have heard a couple of the commentators... 3catwoman3 Feb 2018 #5
Me too... pangaia Feb 2018 #9
Really! Ohiogal Feb 2018 #10
Wow.. amazing... pangaia Feb 2018 #12
Girl in the blue dress..... pangaia Feb 2018 #14
As long as we are being critical, I do not care for... 3catwoman3 Feb 2018 #15
I don't mind if it fits into the program... LisaM Feb 2018 #16
Dick Button referred to today's skating as "slam dunk contests." JayhawkSD Feb 2018 #18
I would like that. pangaia Feb 2018 #19
The Only Issue I See. . . ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #21
Humm.. That is certainly true.. pangaia Feb 2018 #24

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
2. I agree..
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:16 PM
Feb 2018

Right now some russian woman is skating to Debussy and the recording is just horrendous.. ugly actually..
which means she and her coaches have no clue....

dhill926

(16,353 posts)
3. yeah...don't get me started on the lack of coordination...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:20 PM
Feb 2018

between the music and the skating. That should be fundamental, and it's why we still talk about Torvill and Dean....

Ohiogal

(32,047 posts)
4. Remember Nancy Kerrigan vs. Oksana Baiul?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:22 PM
Feb 2018

Kerrigan was perfect technically but Baiul was so artistic and breathtaking with her potrayal of the dying Swan. I think back the artistry played a bigger role.

Arkansas Granny

(31,525 posts)
7. Oksana Baiul's performance was one of the most beautiful I can recall.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:29 PM
Feb 2018

These days I enjoy ice dancing as much, if not more, than figure skating.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
8. OOOHH yes....
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:30 PM
Feb 2018

Oksana was out of this world... I just loved watching her.

Little story, I think it was the year after she won, maybe 2 years, I was eating in a Thai restaurant in Syracuse.
During dinner, Oksana came in with several other skaters who were on a pro tour....

I almost fell off my chair....


ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
20. One Of The Things I Noticed About Her. . .
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:21 AM
Feb 2018

. . . was that she was so long limbed that her artistic movements seemed to be in slow motion. It created a gracefulness that went beyond how graceful she already was.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
22. I never thought of that, but you are absolutely right...
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:24 AM
Feb 2018

Check out Yuna Kim, if you are of a mind.

I watched the women's free skate last night..

And for me, as good as the top few are, as difficult as their jumps are, I don;t think they can touch Yuna for pure artistry, grace, expression and genius...

ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
23. Probably Won't, But Thanks
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:25 AM
Feb 2018

I have become increasingly disinterested in any sporting event in which i need someone else to tell us who won.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
25. Now THAT is interesting.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:31 AM
Feb 2018

It's like judging symphony orchestras.

And here come the 1st violins, watch these runs... HOLY COW they did it.... !!!

And the post concert interviewed..
"Tell us, how did it feel to just 'stick' that trumpet solo at the beginning of the Mahler?"

"OH, you know, its what I get paid to do, jerk."





ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
26. That Said. . .
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:51 AM
Feb 2018

. . .i did competition jazz piano when i was in my teens, and played at lots of battle of the bands with my rock bands. So, i get that!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
27. yeah....I hear you...
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:55 AM
Feb 2018

When I taught percussion in one of the best high school music programs in the country, the band director refused to ever take his band to any competition.

As Bela Bartok(probably) once said. "Competitions are for horses, not artists."




Response to Ohiogal (Reply #4)

3catwoman3

(24,032 posts)
5. Artistry fan here. I have heard a couple of the commentators...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:27 PM
Feb 2018

...expressing great admiration for a couple of the skaters whose moves are timed to coordinate with certain phrasing in their music.

Hello - is that not the whole point of good choreography?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
9. Me too...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:31 PM
Feb 2018

Jumps are jumps... I only really like them when they are something especially spectacular.. I mean in the artistry of the jump...

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
14. Girl in the blue dress.....
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:17 AM
Feb 2018

EH.. If you are going to skate to Butterfly use Puccini's actual music, not some watered down version.

And frankly I don't care at all for her choregraphy Or the way she interpreted the music. Seemed like she was skating around doing a string of 'licks,' as we say in music, that could go with anything...

Well well. I guess the judges didn't agree with me.

LOL

3catwoman3

(24,032 posts)
15. As long as we are being critical, I do not care for...
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:54 AM
Feb 2018

...the Beilman spin. I appreciate the athleticism and flexibility involved, but I don't find it graceful or attractive.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
18. Dick Button referred to today's skating as "slam dunk contests."
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 02:03 AM
Feb 2018

Maybe you have to watch basketball to understand that, but... Yes.

I maintain that the NBA should raise the hoop four feet. It would improve the game tremendously. The skating rules should outlaw the quad altogether, and not allow more than three jumps per routine.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
19. I would like that.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 02:36 AM
Feb 2018

More emphasis on expression, artistry, more varied technical skills...

I get the feel8ng wr are all just waiting to see jumps.

ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
21. The Only Issue I See. . .
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:26 AM
Feb 2018

. . . is that if they further emphasize the artistic aspect, the judging becomes even more subjective.

Now, it's not a matter of the judge's opinion of how artistic something is, but what is artistic? Some judge might simply decide a jazzy element is not art. That would be stupid, but the mere judgment as to what artistic is, then how artistic that particular thing is or isn't makes for some awfully confusing decisions.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
24. Humm.. That is certainly true..
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:27 AM
Feb 2018

Especilly considering the disaster of the 2014 women's result.....

So you are right, there has to be a good deal of 'technical merit.'

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